Well, yeah, because separation does that.
I mean, when King Piccolo and Kami separated.
They went from being around Final Form Frieza/Super Saiyan levels of power to. To like a seventh of Raditz.
...Of course, Super Buu is apparently still weaker than Buff Buu. And the Grand Supreme Kai having a negative power level would be ridiculous, so in theory Super Buu still had even more potential power he couldn't access just because of his personality and that damned Kai morality infecting him.
edited 29th Apr '15 2:22:35 AM by unnoun
Cell required a team effort to take down in the end - not just the Father-Son KHH, but the rest of the cast distracting him. I guess that counts as the guy with the highest power level losing, right?
Super Buu was killed by internal sabotage, too, and the Dpirit Bomb that iced Kid Buu was the definition of a team effort that needed Vegeta running interference to get off the ground.
What's precedent ever done for us?Is the Father-Son Kamehameha actually special in terms of power or is it just a thing that the games have made more special than it actually is?
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!I think the Budokai games (or at least 3) explicitly say that the Super Kamehameha, Adult Gohan's ultimate, is the same move as the Father-Son one, just without Goku cheering him on, and also fired at an angle I guess.
So basically, it's just a big Kamehameha, and any Goku involvement is symbolism.
Don't PM me. We don't like being PMed.No, he got strong by losing fights for his life and abusing his Saiyan racial traits. Getting your ass kicked does not have very high requirements for skill or tactical prowess.
Most people are more powerful as an adult than they were as an infant.
Like how Goku had to train for fifty years to master the Kamehameha, as opposed to just being like "I can do that too!" and firing one off seconds after witnessing it?
And there's no reason to assume Vegeta's ability to just replicate what he sees other people do is any less than Goku's given that he up and taught himself to sense ki after finding out that was a thing, without so much as a single clue as to how it's done.
If anything, Vegeta's ability to crib others' moves on sight is greater than Goku's as a product of his natural talent, given that Goku required formal training from Mr. Popo to learn ki detection, while Vegeta taught it to himself while half-conscious in a healing pod.
As others have noted, Raditz and Kid Buu were defeated by weaker foes. Additionally, Piccolo was almost Nappa's equal. When you take into consideration all the other high powers fighting him simultaneously, Nappa was sorely outclassed when he murdered half the cast and curbstomped the other half through sheer skill and mental discipline.
I feel like he was.
Yep. Fat Buu < Pure Buu < Super Buu.
edited 29th Apr '15 7:42:37 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Pure Buu is weaker but more dangerous because he is effectively a mindless force of annihilation. Super Buu had a personality. He was arrogant. Cocky. Felt fear and loathing and anticipation. He could be talked to, goaded, dared. He was susceptible to the emotional manipulation that made his near-defeat possible.
Pure Buu demonstrated the difference when the first thing he did upon being purified was destroy the Earth. No fight, no threats, no ego. F*ck this planet, boom.
Super Buu wanted an awesome fight. Pure Buu just wants to destroy.
edited 29th Apr '15 7:47:51 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Kid Buu was weaker than Super Buu but Kid Buu couldn't be bartered with or stalled or perform any sort of higher reasoning. Which makes him much more dangerous.
At least Super Buu was actually intelligent and could be talked to and reasoned with. Kid Buu just destroys.
edited 29th Apr '15 7:47:52 AM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?speaking of Broly,wonder how'll they'll do Goku's Deadly Dodging .
'Cause he's fickle and immature.
He doesn't always go immediately for the planet burst, but if he decides that's what he's doing you can't stop him. I wouldn't necessarily consider him significantly more pragmatic than Super, but he's much more impulsive.
edited 29th Apr '15 10:32:35 AM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!To be fair, Nappa also set the precedent that "no matter how many people rush them at the same time or whatever innovative techniques are used against them, a character who is more powerful can never be seriously harmed except by a power much greater than themselves" which followed the series all the way until the end, getting more blatant as the series went on.
One of these days I'm going to visualize that general trope well enough to YKTTW it...
edited 29th Apr '15 11:27:02 AM by KnownUnknown
Sure, but Vegeta immediately violated that precedent afterwards when he was overcome by four combatants weaker than him.
As did Cell and Majin Buu. Frieza was the only major villain whose defeat was as simple as "The stronger guy wins!" and even that was only after every gun in Chekhov's Armory had failed.
edited 29th Apr '15 1:22:08 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Goku never misses an opportunity to remind us that his innocence and simplicity is a danger to himself and others.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Andro-: a Greek prefix meaning man
-oid: a suffix meaning "resembling" or "like", but implying incompleteness or imperfect resemblance.
So technically Buu is an android since he resembles a man but isn't.
edited 29th Apr '15 6:47:40 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

Except when Fat Buu got really mad like the fight with Gohan because shit happened then.
I mean, theoretically, Fat Buu and Super Buu have the same power reserves, and are made of the same overall components, but Super Buu can use more of it more of the time.
edited 28th Apr '15 7:33:47 PM by unnoun