On the whole subject of 'hating dragonball', lets just say we are all Tsundere about it.
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They wouldn't even need that. Vegeta's Final Flash was powerful enough to destroy Perfect Cell. He'd just dodge the attack.
Ehhhhhhhhh I would actually say it's unbelievably awful how Toriyama had them act in that fight so please don't try to speak for all of us.
@Enlong I was talking about earlier in the arc. Goku has Super Saiyan 3 stashed away in his butt, and keeps complaining about how he can't fuse with Gohan or Vegeta to beat Boo. He reveals Super Saiyan 3 would've totally killed Boo if he'd fought seriously.
Numeric measurements for battle powers went away but the general tiering logic never did since it was there from the start of the series.
edited 15th Apr '15 7:25:49 PM by Saiga
All Toriyama had to do was have Goku reveal that he knew using SSJ 3 would burn up his time on earth, hence why he held it back against both Vegeta and Buu.
Like, he knew he could do it, but he was unsure how much time it would take up, and he was afraid he'd run out of gas while doing it.
But that would make sense apparently.
One Strip! One Strip!Super Saiyan 1 Gotenks would be on par with Fat Buu, or so everybody said upon the first sucessful fusion in said state. Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, after 2 weeks in the Hypobaric Pine Chamber (god bless you Abridged!Goku) is about on par with Super Buu, even maybe a little stronger.
Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Super Buu, but weaker than Buutenks. So he isn't twice as strong as either of them.
So, if Super Saiyan 3 is 8 times Super Saiyan 1, and that applies to fusions as well, and knowing power levels are bullshit, Ultimate Gohan is about an order of magnitude above SSJ 3 Goku.
And the same would apply to Super Buu compared to Fat and Kid Buu.
So yeah, not a good idea to apply logic to that.
Especially when I remember him immediately going to fight Fat Buu and getting his ass kicked.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!so,is fusion a x2 boost?cause it seems a bit above that.
granted,SSJ 2 is also technically a x2 boost,and it allowed Gohan to stomp Cell.
I'd say Gotenks was abover Super Buu at least
since by the end of their fight, Buu was the clear loser and only survived because Gotenks SSJ 3 boost ran out
I'd say Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks isn't "about" Super Buu's level, but actually far beyond it. Their fight was a one-sided curbstomp; there's really no question they would have been able to destroy Super Buu had Super Saiyan 3 not drained their fusion at an accelerated pace and kicked them out of the fusion in only five of the allotted thirty minutes - which is even more horrifically draining of their time, when you consider that most of that time was wasted on their drama antics rather than Super Saiyan 3. They got maybe a minute in the form, tops.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.It's hard to say because of how many other factors there are.
Piccolo was 87.5% Nappa's battle power and still managed to get wrecked despite having Krillin to back him up due to Nappa's formidable skill, experience, and intense mental disciplineHEY .
Meanwhile, Yajirobe of all people was able to bring down Oozaru Vegeta - who wasn't at 100% due to having to invoke the False Moon instead of transforming naturally, but as 100% is 180,000LISTEN , even 40% would be pretty insurmountable as far as any of our protagonists are concerned.
And then there's special techniques like Captain Ginyu's Body Change, which allowed him to defeat Goku even though he was barely 2/3 Goku's battle power.
Battle power is not nothing, not by a long shot, but it isn't everything either.
edited 16th Apr '15 9:19:10 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I don't think it would have helped him that much, especially when he can rip trees out of the ground with his TK and impale people with those.
His mistake was trying to be self-sufficient as a fighter. Tien and Chiaotzu had this down at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai; Chiaotzu paralyzes folks while Tien moves in for the kill. Guldo is like an even more powerful version of Chiaotzu, but without the self-awareness to be a Support Character.
edited 16th Apr '15 10:13:29 AM by TobiasDrake
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We do? I really don't see too many that fit that mold.