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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10951: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:04:51 AM

Maybe that's because his tactics aren't very good.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#10952: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:16:46 AM

It's not his fault he has brain damage.

Don't be ableist.

trying to think of a way he could fuse with Goku

...He could fuse with himself?

Side-note, TFS did raise a good point that Nappa actually should have been brought back by the Dragon Balls.

It certainly seems like Vegeta didn't technically leave Frieza's employ until he killed Cui. It doesn't seem like Frieza's organization to heal random people not covered by the health plan.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10953: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:19:20 AM

No, he went to Earth behind Freeza's back and so nobody was brought back from that. Abridged just changed that so Nappa could be back.

And yeah I made an error, Goku was trying to fuse with Vegeta and Gohan but believed both of them to be dead.

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#10954: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:19:41 AM

Good of Vegeta to call him out for holding back.

[up] depends on the wish wording, I think. If it was "anyone killed under Freeza's orders", then Nappa's screwed. But it it was "anyone killed by Freeza or his men", then the fact that Vegeta hadn't officially rebelled yet is important.

edited 14th Apr '15 5:21:40 AM by Enlong

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#10955: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:26:10 AM

He was working for Frieza and covered by Frieza's insurance policy.

That makes him one of Frieza's men/soldiers.

That wish should have brought back everyone killed by Frieza's army in the past year that hadn't already died and been brought back.

I mean, some of them were probably on blown up planets that the wish didn't bring back. So they probably just sorta died again.

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#10956: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:32:54 AM

Wait.

So why, then, did Tien not get revived in the Abridged version of that wish? Piccolo was already back, Chiaotzu was off the dragon's list, and Yamcha was screwed because Saibamen are hardly in Freeza's employ. But Nappa killed Tien, right?

edited 14th Apr '15 5:33:36 AM by Enlong

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10957: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:36:47 AM

Vegeta's trip to Earth was where he rebelled, he even calls it a rebellion in the manga.

But even if he was one of Freeza's men at the time he went to Earth, I don't see why that would matter for the wish. Given the way the wish was worded (in present tense), then the fact that Vegeta was not one of Freeza's men at the time of the wish should just mean he's excluded entirely. He only says he's not one of Freeza's men, so the people he killed don't get wished back, not so specifically that he wasn't one of Freeza's men when he did those particular killings.

Abridged's use of Exact Words is just something added to bring Nappa back.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#10958: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:39:29 AM

I guess.

The let's play channel and the T Shirts are basically the only things they can legally make money off of, so, it wasn't a bad decision on TFS's part.

I mean, how can Vegeta play video games with a ghost? Doesn't make any sense.

edited 14th Apr '15 5:40:38 AM by unnoun

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#10959: Apr 14th 2015 at 5:44:11 AM

I guess this one just comes down to interpretation. Whether you think the dragon should count who currently is Freeza's man, or whether he should count who was Freeza's man at the time of the murder.

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Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#10960: Apr 14th 2015 at 6:33:40 AM

well for Tien it could be argued that he killed himself anyway

However Popo did say that the ones the wish had to revive were on a planet far away, implying that only the Nameks were targeted

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#10961: Apr 14th 2015 at 7:14:54 AM

[up][up] And also whether you count the moment Vegeta leaves Frieza's employ as his desertion or his first act of outright treason.

It takes a lot of logic finagling to reach the conclusion that Nappa should be revived by the wish. It can be done, however.

Also, the question of why Tien wasn't brought back was addressed in the Abridged episode that revealed Nappa's revival; Vegeta worked for Frieza, but Nappa just worked for Vegeta and had no loyalty to Frieza, so nobody killed by Nappa was brought back.

edited 14th Apr '15 7:15:07 AM by TobiasDrake

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#10962: Apr 14th 2015 at 7:39:19 AM

Oops. Wrong thread.

edited 14th Apr '15 7:46:12 AM by unnoun

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#10963: Apr 14th 2015 at 8:23:19 AM

In all this talk about the technicalities of wishing for revival, I'm surprised no one brought up Guru.

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#10964: Apr 14th 2015 at 8:29:28 AM

In the original, Guru's death of natural causes was accelerated by despair at Frieza's annihilation of his people. As this was technically caused by Frieza and his men, he was revived for just the period of time he would have had left.

This makes about as much sense as reviving Nappa in my opinion, and even less in the Abridged series, where his death was self-inflicted.

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#10965: Apr 14th 2015 at 8:31:39 AM

[up] Guru said that he stopped his heart for a few minutes, so presumably it was only temporary, and it started back up again.

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#10966: Apr 14th 2015 at 8:34:08 AM

[up]If Guru did stop his heart, then why did the dragon balls turn to stone? Wouldn't they recognize that Guru was playing dead?

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#10967: Apr 14th 2015 at 8:45:03 AM

Well, you are clinically dead when your heart stops, regardless if you get revived a few minutes later or not.

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#10968: Apr 14th 2015 at 8:52:19 AM

Forgive my lack of knowledge on medical terms, but I thought one is considered actually dead when one's brain stops. Or do Namekian hearts double as their brain?

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JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#10969: Apr 14th 2015 at 9:01:42 AM

I remember thinking a while back that Freeza, after the fight with Nail, actually stopped by the Guru's first and shot him in the chest out of spite. Now I see that didn't happen (even though it would make far more sense), but why did I think he did? Was that Anime filler, maybe a line that wasn't supposed to be there?

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#10971: Apr 14th 2015 at 10:13:00 AM

[up][up]Maybe because of the filler fight Freeza had with the 3 (copypasted) Namekians in front of Guru's house

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#10972: Apr 14th 2015 at 10:53:58 AM

Actually, I think the exact wording of their wish to revive everyone who was killed by Freeza and his men was "Bring back everyone who was killed by Freeza and his men on Namek." I was actually wondering why the wish didn't bring back Tien and maybe Yamcha as well when it happened.

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#10973: Apr 14th 2015 at 12:09:53 PM

Well what if they brought back everyone? Then there would be people coming back to life on non-existent planets, or maybe other bad people, etc.

Dragon_Ranger Since: Jan, 2010
#10974: Apr 14th 2015 at 12:13:57 PM

You know, there's something I'm curious about regarding Battle of Gods. Why does Goku hate having to rely on others to gain the form? His Spirit Bomb works on exactly the same principle; it would be useless without other beings lending him their power. Then there's the first Broly movie where he needs the powers of the other fighters to even be able to hurt Broly; he has to scream at Vegeta to give him his energy to be able to face Broly on even footing.

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#10975: Apr 14th 2015 at 12:15:57 PM

All of the movies aside from the latest two, History of Trunks, and Bardok: Father of Goku are non-canon.

The Spirit Bomb and Super Saiyan God are vastly different. Super Saiyan God is a transformation, a level of power, while the Spirit Bomb is just an attack.

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