Where is it indicated Vegeta could become a Super Saiyan 2 before the Majin upgrade?
The first time he ever takes on the Super Saiyan 2 form under his own power is when he fights Super Buu, shortly before fusing with Goku to form Vegetto.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Catching up to Gohan and Super Perfect Cell doesn't necessarily mean he can become a Super Saiyan 2, especially since Gohan's power has waned in the last seven years.
edited 10th Apr '15 9:23:48 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.So in other words, he wasted all of our time building up Gohan just to toss him under the bus at the end?
One Strip! One Strip!I feel like Vegeta would have been more outraged at finding out that goku had reached the SSJ 2 stage, if he had not reached that stage yet himself
He had.
The first time Goku assumed the Super Saiyan 2 transformation onscreen was to match Vegeta's Majin boost. He achieved it in the afterlife, but Vegeta never saw him do it until Vegeta had already allowed Babidi to awaken his power.
edited 10th Apr '15 11:42:13 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.The fact that Vegeta thought he was stronger than Cell Games Gohan should be enough to make you go "Hey, he must have Super Saiyan 2."
Also, judging by his aura in the manga, he's a Super Saiyan 2. It's more violent and jagged, and contains bolts of lightning-like energy. These signs are consistently present in the manga. See his fight with Pure Buu.
Finally, the Daizenshuu says Gohan achieved the form from Cell, while Vegeta and Goku did so through harsh training.
"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."I like that training for four months have become the DBZ version of Batman's Prep Time.
It's pretty great.
...What's not so great is the way that TFS uploads their TFS Classic shit on Fridays instead of things I actually kinda want to see like Xenoverse, or one of their in-character things.
Mass Effect 3 is probably my favorite of their multiplayer things, and. I mean, dammit, Xenoverse was getting to the good part!
He fought Pure Buu long after his Majin boost, which I've been asserting is when he achieved Super Saiyan 2.
Why? He's been training in a Gravity Chamber for seven years, and the gap between Gohan and Vegeta's Base wasn't that much. Gohan was noticeably stronger, but given the kind of increases we've seen Gravity Training produce in the past, seven years is plenty of time to triple or quadruple his battle power, which is likely all it would take to put his Super Saiyan form above Gohan's Super Saiyan 2.
Super Saiyan 2 is not a level of power. It's a multiplier, and considering the kind of gains these characters have received in the past, is "Vegeta increased his battle power 4x over the course of seven years" really so unthinkable?
edited 10th Apr '15 3:08:28 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Not only do we have guides saying he got the form by training, there's also the fact that Gohan is close enough to Goku to fuse which means he's probably not under half their strength. Especially since he can fight a Cell-level opponent with just Super Saiyan 1, and Goku/Vegeta were only barely stronger than Cell Games Gohan. There's also various minor lines to imply he had it.
There's no real reason to think it was Babidi's work. When Babidi enslaves him and powers him up, he's just a Super Saiyan 1. He later transforms into a Super Saiyan 2 in response to Goku doing so, and I don't think Babidi could give him the form without him actually transforming because that's not how reaching new Super Saiyan forms has worked before.
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yes, because Goku barely surpassed Gohan in that time and the gravity room is an obsolete training method at that stage. He didn't benefit a whole lot from it in the 3 years preparing for the Androids and hit a wall that he needed the room of spirit and time to surpass.
Despite Super Saiyan 2 being a multiplier, in the series it was treated like a level of power because none of the Super Saiyan 2s were that far apart in power.
edited 10th Apr '15 3:21:39 PM by Saiga
In Xenoverse, Goku just told my character that he has a friend named Krillin, who's an Earthling like me and trains every day.
"You should be like him and get even stronger than Saiyans".
I choose to believe "like Krillin" refers to "get even stronger than Saiyans". Because that's more fun.
I have a message from another time...

A few things:
Vegeta could in fact become a Super Saiyan 2 at this stage, and Gohan was most likely a Super Saiyan 1 for that fight. It is very unlikely that Gohan is half of Vegeta/Goku's power because Goku says Gohan is close enough to his power to fuse with him.
Also, if you consider the amount of energy to revive Boo to be equal to his battle power, then he'd only be just over twice Gohan's strength, and he is still way too strong for Goku and Vegeta to beat.
Well, that and Kuririn doesn't have Super Saiyan forms. Gohan's base took on Super Saiyan traits after the ritual, and the power he is wielding is likely drawing on his Super Saiyan power without the transformations.
So I think for non-transforming races it would be much less effective, even before you take into consideration differences in dormant power. Just in the context of the manga Gohan should be the one who gets the most out of the ritual... well except for Vegetto maybe? Though Vegetto may have already realized most of his potential.