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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#10751: Apr 9th 2015 at 8:13:08 AM

When you hit a boss and they don't stagger immediately like any other character would.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#10753: Apr 9th 2015 at 3:25:39 PM

I lost it at them humming John Cena's theme song when Goku arrived.

If the Revival of F spoilers are anything to go by, I can see "Goku Securing the Kill" becoming a running gag.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#10754: Apr 9th 2015 at 3:29:27 PM

I love the idea of Goten being a Super Saiyan because Goku's sperm received a Zenkai when he was punched in the dick by Super 13.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#10755: Apr 9th 2015 at 3:55:23 PM

I remember like a fanfic thing where Saiyans are actually stronger growing up based on the strength of the adult Saiyans around them and the other Saiyans their own age.

EDIT: Lani: “I love this next cut scene. It’s fantastic.”

...He says at the end of the last update of the week.

Dick.

EDIT: Oh my god they're being trained by Yamcha.

EDIT: ...Which they said earlier.

Heh. "Puppy dog punch."

edited 9th Apr '15 4:16:57 PM by unnoun

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#10756: Apr 9th 2015 at 4:45:45 PM

Goten and Trunks are stronger than Gohan was because Goku and Vegeta were really strong. It has nothing to do with genes though. When you make a baby its Ki has to come from somewhere, some from the mom, some from the dad. When Goten was conceived Goku was a super Saiyan, so Goten was able to transform really easy. I don't know how strong Vegeta was when Trunks was conceived but he was pretty close to turning super Saiyan

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#10757: Apr 9th 2015 at 4:47:31 PM

must be scary to have super babies in the womb.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#10758: Apr 9th 2015 at 5:45:12 PM

Re: Disrespect for Gohan.

This battle may actually be respecting him. It's a battle to beat the curse out of each of them, yeah? And Gohan's got the lowest health. That says to me that his curse is the weakest, and needs less hitting to fully break. Also, he's got dialogue suggesting he's Fighting from the Inside.

So, that battle? Much more respect to Gohan than Revival of F.

edited 9th Apr '15 5:45:27 PM by Enlong

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#10759: Apr 9th 2015 at 5:47:59 PM

also,he's actually in his Ultimate/Base/Whatever form there!

edited 9th Apr '15 5:48:18 PM by alekos23

TheFarmboy You can go home, Courier from Mojave Wasteland (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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#10760: Apr 9th 2015 at 5:50:16 PM

[up][up] Did someone suggest that as Fridge Brilliance on the Xenoverse page?

But yeah, people wanted more Goku, so Gohan was tossed into the backburner, shame we didn't see how powerful Mystic was.

edited 9th Apr '15 5:50:35 PM by TheFarmboy

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#10761: Apr 9th 2015 at 6:03:19 PM

We see how powerful Ultimate is just fine.

Gohan loses the ability to become a Super Saiyan and, in return, his Base battle power is raised to a point high enough to effortlessly curbstomp Super Buu - who is, in turn, stronger than Pure Buu, who even Super Saiyan 3 Goku could not overcome.

Super Saiyan 3 Goku < Pure Buu < Super Buu < Ultimate Gohan, who has no multipliers attached to his battle power.

This tells us that Ultimate Gohan's battle power is far above 400 Gokus. He got screwed out of the plot, but not for lack of power, at least until the movies rolled around..

edited 9th Apr '15 6:04:39 PM by TobiasDrake

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#10762: Apr 9th 2015 at 6:04:23 PM

Makes me wonder how the Buu arc would have played out if Toriyama stuck to his guns. No Goku returning means Vegeta doesn't turn Heel a final time. Presumably no Super Saiyan 3 either.

[up]Strength wise, SS 3 Goku was actually on par with Pure Buu. The big deciding factor is Buu had infinite stamina.

edited 9th Apr '15 6:07:33 PM by Lionheart0

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10763: Apr 9th 2015 at 8:44:10 PM

There's also some dialogue in the game files about Demigra being shocked by Gohan's power, but I don't know if that made it into the final product.

[up] What do you mean? It was Toriyama's decision to bring back Goku.

edited 9th Apr '15 8:46:49 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#10764: Apr 9th 2015 at 8:50:34 PM

You mean that one wasn't editorial pressure?

So he just gave up on Gohan then? After bothering to build him up?

You better be wrong about this Saiga, cause if then, then Rob is disappointed. Very disappointed.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10765: Apr 9th 2015 at 9:04:11 PM

He outright says he decided Goku was more suited to being the hero.

It's probably because Gohan cared about justice and helping people, while Toriyama made Goku because he wanted a selfish hero.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#10767: Apr 9th 2015 at 11:31:26 PM

NVM.

edited 9th Apr '15 11:32:02 PM by KnownUnknown

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#10768: Apr 10th 2015 at 3:46:29 AM

[up][up] While no one was looking, Vegeta stole 400 Gokus. That's right, 400! That's fourty tens! And that's terrible.

I'm pretty sure Toriyama was told by the execs after hearing fans wanting more Goku instead of Gohan.

edited 10th Apr '15 3:46:38 AM by TheFarmboy

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#10769: Apr 10th 2015 at 3:50:03 AM

I seem to remember Toriyama mentioning that he never studied muscle anatomy.

He gave no shits.

On the subject of Android 13.

edited 10th Apr '15 3:57:33 AM by unnoun

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#10770: Apr 10th 2015 at 4:01:42 AM

[up][up] I see no reason to call Toriyama a liar, because he has had no problem talking about when editors made him do things.

Especially when the policy of jump is "side with the author in any editor-author disagreement".

edited 10th Apr '15 4:02:31 AM by Saiga

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#10771: Apr 10th 2015 at 7:03:18 AM

I wonder if, when Goku kills 13, he'll say "That was for m'dick."

The legend has returned.
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#10772: Apr 10th 2015 at 8:09:59 AM

Strength wise, SS 3 Goku was actually on par with Pure Buu. The big deciding factor is Buu had infinite stamina.

That's fair.

Point is this: Gohan went from being unimpressive to Vegeta at Super Saiyan 2, to outperforming Super Saiyan 3 Goku in base.

Goku and Vegeta were about on par with each other when Goku was a Super Saiyan 2 and Vegeta was Majin-boosted to Super Saiyan 2, so we can assume Goku and Vegeta are close to equal in battle power.

Vegeta, at the time he was disgustedly criticizing Gohan's performance against Dabura - who is equal to Perfect Cell - could only become a Super Saiyan 1. Thus, we can conclude that 100 Gohans is weaker than 50 Vegetas, or that Gohan is at most half of Vegeta and Goku's battle power.

After getting his power unlocked by the Old Kai, Gohan gets locked out of Super Saiyan transformations, but his Base power is boosted to the point that he is greater than 400 Gokus.

Which means the Ultimate boost permanently increased Gohan's battle power by at least 800x.

It should be noted that there is no guarantee it would do that for others; Krillin, for example, probably wouldn't rise to 60 million after getting his power unlocked by Old Kai, because it's not a static multiplier but a potential unlock, entirely subject to what potential the person receiving it has. Still, that's damn impressive.

edited 10th Apr '15 8:12:05 AM by TobiasDrake

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#10773: Apr 10th 2015 at 8:26:42 AM

I thought Ultimate Gohan could still transform into a Super Saiyan and such. At least that's what the wiki says.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#10774: Apr 10th 2015 at 8:28:43 AM

Psh.
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UNLIMITED POWER!

edited 10th Apr '15 8:30:45 AM by wanderlustwarrior

Dragon_Ranger Since: Jan, 2010
#10775: Apr 10th 2015 at 8:37:33 AM

[up][up][up]

Uh, no. Vegeta was perfectly capable of becoming Super Saiyan 2 by the Buu saga. He was still weaker than Super Saiyan 2 Goku though, hence the Majin boost.

On an unrelated note, spoilers for Resurrection of F.

edited 10th Apr '15 8:41:06 AM by Dragon_Ranger


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