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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#10401: Mar 20th 2015 at 6:08:43 PM

"Why didn't he program him to be built as perfect?", then.

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#10402: Mar 20th 2015 at 6:12:49 PM

See previous post

JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#10403: Mar 20th 2015 at 6:22:32 PM

Nobody programmed Cell, he's a lifeform with a brain of his own. He don't need no programming.

Also, the previous talk about Cell showing the souls of his victims made me think of something... Isn't he made from the cells of King Piccolo? And wasn't King Piccolo literally a demon? You know, with the souls of Roshi, Chaotzu and Krillin wandering in limbo while they were dead?.

Just saying, Cell might be also be a demon. Incapable of good deeds and all that jazz. Certainly explains why Kami was so willing to stop him.

edited 20th Mar '15 6:23:12 PM by JonnasN

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#10404: Mar 20th 2015 at 6:23:24 PM

Only got the cells of Junior.

JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#10405: Mar 20th 2015 at 6:24:04 PM

Maybe Junior was also a demon during the Budokai.

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#10406: Mar 20th 2015 at 6:24:44 PM

Demon King Piccolo was literally a Namekian.

Nobody programmed Cell, he's a lifeform with a brain of his own. He don't need no programming.

"Why didn't he program his computer to build Cell to be perfect?" then. Argh. My question was already answered and I'm still having to rephrase it.

edited 20th Mar '15 6:25:13 PM by Enlong

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#10408: Mar 20th 2015 at 6:28:08 PM

I thought "Demon King" was just a self-aggrandizing tile he gave himself, and that he was always a Namekian with an evil heart/mind. Like how Goku was an alien instead of a magical were-gorilla.

...well, "magic" is hard to define by our usual standards in a world where stuff like ki blasts and flying are understandable science.

edited 20th Mar '15 6:28:53 PM by Enlong

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#10409: Mar 20th 2015 at 6:38:30 PM

Kami mentioned a few times that the fate of Krillin's (and the others') souls is due to Piccolo being a demon.

When Raditz doesn't go to limbo, he takes it as proof that Piccolo is not a demon anymore (I personally like to think it was because Goku gave him a second chance).

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#10410: Mar 20th 2015 at 6:40:24 PM

I stand corrected.

I guess being the evil expelled from someone is a pretty good way to be a demon.

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#10411: Mar 20th 2015 at 6:44:40 PM

Up until the end of the Cell Saga, Vegeta was a wild card at best.

Shit, Vegeta remained a Wild Card until the tail-end of the Buu Saga, less we forget the "Turned myself over to Babidi to get mah killer instinct back."

edited 20th Mar '15 6:47:37 PM by Lionheart0

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#10412: Mar 20th 2015 at 6:46:16 PM

And then promptly blew half a stadium's worth of people right to hell for funsies.

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#10413: Mar 20th 2015 at 8:34:03 PM

So it's okay to let a mass murderer walk free just because his victims can be brought back from the dead?

Not so much "okay" as it is "par for the course". During the Cell Saga, Toriyama appears to have come under the mistaken impression that these characters are traditionally heroic, as opposed to a gaggle of thieves, self-centered assholes, and outright murderers united solely by their shared love of testing their strength against Goku.

That is the only possible explanation why he felt a murderer whose primary objective is to increase his power and then test his strength against Goku was sufficient for the arc's Big Bad.

Cell flat out planned to destroy the planet, then every other planet after he got the Instant Transmission. Before that, he's made from the cells of the most violent race out there, and has the cells of the two guys that brutally ruled the galaxy, and we know his personality is an amalgamation of his various parts. He's worse than Vegeta because he's Vegeta + Frieza + King Cold.

Well, yeah. The point is that he had no reason to plan that. It did not benefit his objectives in any conceivable way. He pulled "Kill the universe" out of his ass despite it being actively counterproductive to his intentions solely to justify still being the villain after he succeeded in his goal and ran out of villainous things to do.

No one's saying he didn't out-of-nowhere declare, "Imma kill all the things!" The point is that it was stupid.

I stand corrected.

I guess being the evil expelled from someone is a pretty good way to be a demon.

Yep. That Piccolo is a Namekian does not change the fact that he's still the physical embodiment of evil expelled from the Namekian that became God. He's an alien and a demon.

Shit, Vegeta remained a Wild Card until the tail-end of the Buu Saga, less we forget the "Turned myself over to Babidi to get mah killer instinct back."

That's a good point.

Ultimately, Vegeta was an unrepentant mass murderer who got to kick back with the protagonists killing things less evil than him because he was useful and there isn't really have a high moral standard for membership in the group anyway, as evidenced by the physical embodiment of evil joining the crew roughly 1/3 of the way through the series.

They pay lip service to being champions of justice from time to time, particularly against Frieza who is the single most evil character in the entire franchise, but even Goku will gladly let murderers like Piccolo and Vegeta walk free and unaccosted because he enjoys fighting them. He probably would have been encouraging Gohan not to kill Cell if Frieza hadn't broken his mercy.

edited 20th Mar '15 8:41:46 PM by TobiasDrake

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#10414: Mar 20th 2015 at 9:17:27 PM

It's not stupid when all the parts of his personality are evil genocidal maniancs and battle-loving man-children.

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#10415: Mar 20th 2015 at 9:25:28 PM

Nobody in his genetic makeup is an omnicidal psychopath. The people who comprise his being are galactic tyrants at worst. Only Majin Buu in his purest form has "Annihilate all life" as a character motivation, because he's a Person of Mass Destruction Gone Horribly Right, and there isn't an ounce of Buu in Cell.

edited 20th Mar '15 9:26:04 PM by TobiasDrake

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#10416: Mar 20th 2015 at 9:32:45 PM

Really liked History of Trunks abridge.

It also makes me look forward to when they do the abridge version of when Trunks returns and curbstomps his androids.

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#10417: Mar 20th 2015 at 9:35:25 PM

[up]Yes, I can't wait!

edited 20th Mar '15 9:35:36 PM by BaconManiac5000

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#10418: Mar 20th 2015 at 9:39:53 PM

On a related note, do we have a trope for Genetics Equals Personality or something like that? Or is that just Generation Xerox?

edited 20th Mar '15 9:40:49 PM by KnownUnknown

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#10420: Mar 20th 2015 at 9:52:29 PM

Isn't that more for morality, particularly "X character is ultimately evil because X ancestor was / their family is evil?"

It is the closest thing we've got, though, I think.

edited 20th Mar '15 9:52:51 PM by KnownUnknown

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#10421: Mar 20th 2015 at 10:20:25 PM

I also noticed Yamcha was still around when the Androids attacked.

I'm guessing he takes his life after his friends die.

Or they just ignored that joke for the special.

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#10422: Mar 20th 2015 at 10:23:24 PM

Not so much "okay" as it is "par for the course". During the Cell Saga, Toriyama appears to have come under the mistaken impression that these characters are traditionally heroic, as opposed to a gaggle of thieves, self-centered assholes, and outright murderers united solely by their shared love of testing their strength against Goku.

Fair enough, I suppose. Still, Cell probably needed to be dealt with sooner than later, if only because using the Dragon Balls first means that he's free to kill more people without them being able to be revived.

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#10423: Mar 20th 2015 at 10:28:37 PM

Aside from Vegeta, weren't most of them fully reformed by then though?

Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#10424: Mar 21st 2015 at 1:28:28 AM

Yeah I am pretty sure Tien and Picollo stopped being assholes years ago

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#10425: Mar 21st 2015 at 1:52:33 AM

Here was Cell's plan. Become Perfect. Murder and cause mayhem publicly to promote the Cell Games. Kick the asses of the Cell Games challengers to enjoy himself and make it clear to those watching via tv and stuff that no one can stop him. Kill every person on the planet one by one because he enjoys seeing the look of fear in their eyes as he is about to kill them. (Frieza genes probably gave him this trait.) Go to another populated planet and start the process all over again minus the become perfect part and so on and so on.

Cell was pretty damn evil. He made it clear upon Piccolo first meeting him that he was evil and was going to cause problems.

edited 21st Mar '15 1:53:00 AM by Envyus


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