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#10326: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:52:18 PM

Cell's lack of a motivation beyond achieving Perfection is one of my criticisms of the arc, honestly. Cell won; he achieved everything he set out to achieve, and that is becoming Perfect. He never had a motivation or plot beyond that, and so once he became Perfect and still hadn't been overcome by the heroes yet, he wound up just sort of aimlessly defaulting to Standard Villainy. "Defeat me or I'll blow up the world because that's what I do, I guess."

Cell's complete lack of a reason to continue being villainous - or, for that matter, to have even been villainous in the first place; as a time-traveling warrior from the future who came back to destroy the current villains of the arc, he'd be the goddamn hero of the piece if he wasn't eating people for power-ups - conflicting with his narrative requirement to keep fighting the heroes until they defeat him is one of many reasons why the Cell Saga is the weakest arc in Dragon Ball.

edited 20th Mar '15 2:54:27 PM by TobiasDrake

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#10327: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:53:35 PM

[up]Pretty much.

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#10328: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:54:15 PM

Them Saiyan cells at work again, I think. He wanted to prove he was the strongest, against Earth's greatest fighters at their best.

Also, he was a Gero creation and Goku was still alive. That might've contributed to him not just peacing out into space.

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#10329: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:55:59 PM

Wanting to prove his strength against the Earth's strongest is great, but he had no reason to threaten the Earth to do it. Everyone would have attended the Cell Games even without that.

Take out the Earth threat and it's,

  • CELL: Hey guys, I just killed the arc's current villains who were going to murder the planet, and now I want to have awesome battles with you forever.
  • GOKU: Sweet! I'm in! Welcome to the group, new best buddy ever.

edited 20th Mar '15 2:57:14 PM by TobiasDrake

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#10330: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:57:50 PM

Maybe he was just really bored

Oh really when?
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#10331: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:58:49 PM

Piccolo: "you killed 1087 people."

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#10332: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:59:14 PM

maybe if he didnt look like a bug,he'd be more loved.

[up]"So did you!"

edited 20th Mar '15 2:59:38 PM by alekos23

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#10333: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:59:59 PM

CELL: And you gave Vegeta, an unrepentant genocidal conqueror who has repeatedly expressed the desire to murder you all, the resources needed to become strong enough to defeat me in my Semi-Perfect Form. My victims can be brought back by the Dragon Balls. How's that one tribe of Namekians doing?

edited 20th Mar '15 3:00:31 PM by TobiasDrake

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#10334: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:01:12 PM

Please "What's a Namek"

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#10335: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:03:32 PM

Piccolo: "Good point. Vegeta, you're out too."
Vegeta: "Like I give a damn!"
Trunks: "He did what?!"

Heh. Maybe it was his Freeza cells that made him default to pointless planet explosions.

edited 20th Mar '15 3:07:25 PM by Enlong

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#10336: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:15:37 PM

There were some serious flaws with Cell's arc pretty much from the get-go.

  • PICCOLO: Okay, here's where we stand. We have to hunt down Cell and stop him from absorbing the Androids.
  • BULMA: Question? He intends to kill the people who are trying to kill us. Why is this a problem, exactly?
  • PICCOLO: He's killing people to get stronger.
  • BULMA: Okay, that sucks, but it's not like our group's hands are really that clean.
  • PICCOLO: We can't bring them back with the Dragon Balls!
  • BULMA: First off, that's only because you decided to merge with God in response to his existence, and second, that's not even true because we all know New Namek is a thing and Goku can be there in seconds flat.
  • PICCOLO: You don't understand! If he kills the Androids—
  • BULMA: -who are our enemies, not allies.
  • PICCOLO: Right. If he kills them, he'll get stronger.
  • BULMA: And that's a problem because...?
  • PICCOLO: ...because letting bad people get stronger is bad?
  • VEGETA: Oh man, guys, I just got out of the Room of Spirit and Time and my battle power is JACKED. Like, no lie, I could bench-press all of you at once. Even you, Namekian, even with all the power you gained by killing your good half.

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#10337: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:17:00 PM

"Hrrrrm. Piccolo, didn't you explode a stadium full off people?"

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#10338: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:18:08 PM

"I WAS HAVING A PHASE!"

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#10339: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:19:32 PM

So this makes Krillin, who suggested Piccolo fuse and broke the transmitter, the true villain of the Cell saga.

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#10340: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:20:28 PM

Look in the end Cell's just a bad guy

He kills people and he clearly feels no remorse about it.

So letting him get allpowerful was not a good idea

edit: also Krillin had nothing to do with Picollo's decision in the original story at least

edited 20th Mar '15 3:21:34 PM by Medigo03

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#10341: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:20:53 PM

[up][up]Technically he only did that in the Abridged version.

edited 20th Mar '15 3:21:23 PM by CobraPrime

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#10342: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:21:06 PM

@Tobias: Um, I'm pretty sure that letting someone like Cell get stronger is different from letting Vegeta get stronger, in that Vegeta is on their side, and not trying to kill them.

[up][up] This.

edited 20th Mar '15 3:21:28 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#10343: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:22:25 PM

"On their side" here having the definition of actively assisting Semi-Perfect Cell in achieving his Perfect Form by violently protecting him from Trunks.

Up until the end of the Cell Saga, Vegeta was a wild card at best.

edited 20th Mar '15 3:23:12 PM by TobiasDrake

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#10344: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:23:20 PM

[up][up][up] no, I definitely remember him musing meaningfully about "super Namekians" and smugly saying "he's probably going to the lookout".

That's where DBZA got those lines, to joke about.

edited 20th Mar '15 3:23:48 PM by Enlong

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#10345: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:23:29 PM

Look in the end Cell's just a bad guy

He kills people and he clearly feels no remorse about it.

So letting him get allpowerful was not a good idea

edit: also Krillin had nothing to do with Picollo's decision in the original story at least

Even in the context of the original story, when did Vegeta ever express remorse for killing people by the time of the cell games?

How's Cell different from Vegeta. Other than the smaller body count.

Vegeta is "on their side" in that he literally has nowhere else to go.

edited 20th Mar '15 3:24:34 PM by CobraPrime

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#10346: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:24:18 PM

Vegeta is just kind of chillaxing and not actively killing random people at that point in the story.

Oh really when?
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#10347: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:24:23 PM

Good point. Drop Vegeta from the roster as well.

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#10348: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:26:19 PM

Vegeta did kill at least 1 human while fighting android 18

several more in the anime

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#10349: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:26:20 PM

@Tobias: Okay then, how is it a good idea to let Cell get stronger?

edited 20th Mar '15 3:26:59 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#10350: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:27:28 PM

Just give Cell some cornbread and he'll Heel–Face Turn.

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