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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#10301: Mar 20th 2015 at 9:26:13 AM

So yeah, that was really good. Not exactly the funniest thing they've churned out, but between the dark tone and the minimalist cast they worked well with what they had. It does help to have a dark sense of humor though.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#10302: Mar 20th 2015 at 9:27:56 AM

Toriyama said that Tao killed Hercule's mentor right? Did he give any indication about WHEN this would have taken place?

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#10304: Mar 20th 2015 at 10:58:14 AM

[up][up]Back when Marky Mark was just a pupil himself, so assume scrawny teenage years to early adulthood.

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#10305: Mar 20th 2015 at 11:38:04 AM

Also, do half-Saiyans keep the ability to come back stronger after they've almost been killed? That would explain Gohan's line of being stronger despite losing an arm.

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#10306: Mar 20th 2015 at 11:40:44 AM

Yes, half-Saiyans get zenkais. Gohan may have gotten one after recovering from the loss of his arm.

In the original version of the special, the second fight with the Cyborgs - which Abridged regrettably skipped most of - has him doing a fantastic job against the both of them, parrying attacks from both simultaneously with only the one arm and giving the impression that, had he had both, he might have even won. His much more impressive performance the second time despite being Stumpy may be the result of a zenkai.

edited 20th Mar '15 11:42:25 AM by TobiasDrake

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#10307: Mar 20th 2015 at 11:40:50 AM

Half-Saiyans can get Zenkais, but after becoming a Super Saiyan the effects of a Zenkai are much weaker.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#10308: Mar 20th 2015 at 12:06:38 PM

I actually really dig that Toriyama is giving us peeks at his notes, so to speak, on Dragon Ball. I always like when creators are able to share what they couldn't/didn't in the original material.

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#10309: Mar 20th 2015 at 12:12:16 PM

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Though apparently, that's an anime only thing, and as stated, they'd only been toying with him, and he never came close to standing a chance.

The fact that he actually put up a bit of a fight the second time is just the anime letting Gohan go out fighting(which I kinda like truthfully).

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#10310: Mar 20th 2015 at 12:16:35 PM

If that's an anime only thing, then the anime is the better-realized version of Trunks's story.

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#10311: Mar 20th 2015 at 12:17:00 PM

True.

I really liked Gohan's point that the world was not better before the Androids because his life sucked pretty much from the start.

It's a fair assessment. By battle power alone, the Androids are much more powerful, but by personality and intent, I'd rather have them than Frieza. They're killing people because they're bored. Frieza did it out of spite.

The Androids are deadly powerful, but not Frieza Hopeless. 17 never busted out with, "Haha, you may have become strong enough to ALMOST match my strength, but you should be aware I have three more transformations, and my ultimate power is 1,000x greater than this!"

edited 20th Mar '15 12:18:30 PM by TobiasDrake

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#10312: Mar 20th 2015 at 12:18:30 PM

I actually really dig that Toriyama is giving us peeks at his notes, so to speak, on Dragon Ball. I always like when creators are able to share what they couldn't/didn't in the original material.

The series ended over twenty years ago from Toriyama's perspective.

A lot of these notes seem half-assed and contradict bits of the manga Toriyama himself wrote.

So. In some ways Toriyama is basically just a fan at this point.

It's a fair assessment. By battle power alone, the Androids are much more powerful, but by personality and intent, I'd rather have them than Frieza. They're killing people because they're bored. Frieza did it out of spite.

Wasn't Frieza basically a businessman?

edited 20th Mar '15 12:19:42 PM by unnoun

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#10313: Mar 20th 2015 at 12:42:17 PM

Wasn't he both? He did sell off the planets as well as be an emperor?

And Gohan's childhood may have sucked for him, sure, but overall it was much better. They had the Dragon Balls, there weren't homicidal Androids Cyborgs Teenagers(with attitude) running around killing everyone.

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edited 20th Mar '15 12:48:33 PM by GethKnight

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#10314: Mar 20th 2015 at 1:23:44 PM

[up]x4 The manga cuts away right as 17 makes the "Oh, I only used less than 50% last time" line along with 18 laughing at Gohan's reaction and the next page is Trunks waking up hours later and finding the body in the now way more destroyed city.

It's a really somber moment that comes chapterwise right after Satan vs. Perfect Cell which is pretty much 100% comedy.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#10315: Mar 20th 2015 at 1:24:48 PM

Like he said, the anime was the better-realized version.

Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#10316: Mar 20th 2015 at 1:27:26 PM

Thanks to this special, I've now come to the realization that Gohan had only really known four women in his life when he went through puberty: his mother, a (reformed) killer android, Bulma, and Bulma's mom. Five if you want to count Marron, who he knew for all of a few days when he was, what, 9? That being the case, odds are pretty good that Bulma was one of his earlier sexual fantasies, adding yet another layer of awkwardness to her hitting on him.

By the same token, it also now occurs to me that future!Gohan likely died a virgin. Man, that poor kid just can't catch a single break, can he?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#10317: Mar 20th 2015 at 1:28:49 PM

Wait, Maron or Marron?

Krillin's girlfriend in filler or his daughter?

As for Gohan dying a virgin, well.

...It's probably weird that I have ideas about Future!Videl and Pan.

It's not like the special goes into that many details about Gohan's personal life.

edited 20th Mar '15 1:29:52 PM by unnoun

Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#10318: Mar 20th 2015 at 1:30:17 PM

Blah, Maron. I was thinking daughter-Marron was spelled with an "i."

re: personal life: granted, but it does seem unlikely that he took much time for one when he was the last fighter standing up to the androids for all those years.

edited 20th Mar '15 1:33:07 PM by Wryte

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#10319: Mar 20th 2015 at 1:37:29 PM

Wasn't Frieza basically a businessman?

Yes, but I mean during the time Gohan knew him. Gohan never met Frieza in a professional capacity; his experience with the character is Frieza wiping out Namek for reasons roughly amounting to "Because f*ck you." He was there for the Dragon Balls and decided to just do some genocide while he was at it.

To the Androids, genocide is a game. To Frieza, it's what he is. He lives and breathes the annihilation of sentient races. They slaughter billions because it's a way to entertain themselves when they're more powerful than armies. He slaughters billions because that's just who he is.

edited 20th Mar '15 1:37:42 PM by TobiasDrake

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#10320: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:22:31 PM

Speaking of motives, we know Cell wanted to absorb 17 and 18 to become "Perfect." He'd hardly shut up about it. But then he achieves his "perfection," which begs the question: what would he have done had he had actually managed to beat Gohan during the Cell Games?

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#10321: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:23:45 PM

Sit around for a while and self contemplate. Maybe send out some intergalactic memo for more fighters to show up.

Eventually I like to think he would have mellowed out and gotten a day job.

Oh really when?
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#10322: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:23:47 PM

Move on to destroying the universe.

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#10323: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:24:20 PM

Gloat, blow up the planet, go sailing off into the cosmos for stronger opponents, and then probably get eventually curb stomped by Buu or Beerus.

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#10324: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:40:40 PM

Buu who is on the Earth sealed in a pod that can't open without significantly more power than Cell can output and would never be awakened if Cell blew up the planet?

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#10325: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:46:38 PM

I'd like to see a reunion between Cell and his creator Dr. Gero. He seems to have a good deal of respect for the man. Though at least we did get to see him hang out with Freiza, who he also seems to get along with.


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