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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#9701: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:19:49 PM

1: Yeah, nobody expects Dumplin'
2: "Special Scouter"? How's it special? Does it not explode trying to calculate super-Raditz power levels? Is it not fooled by power masking? Does it make tacos?

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JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#9702: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:28:23 PM

I think I said this before, but the Android saga would've made way more sense if the Androids actually had unique abilities that could bring down the strongest being in the universe. Absorbing Ki was exactly this, I remember watching this as a kid, and thinking those robots were pathetic until C-19 absorbed the Kamehameha. In my mind, that made him as powerful as a Kamehameha, and absorbing Goku's life would've made him as powerful as him. But then that was quickly discarded, and I lost interest again when 17 and 18 appeared.

It was cool that GT actually decided to run with this concept again with Super 17 (and even came up with a genuine and clever weakness for him), but the writing bungled a lot of that arc.

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#9703: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:32:13 PM

Yeah, I always thought that the absorbing Ki made 19 and Gero way cooler. 17 and 18 were just...assholes in jeans. Oh, yeah. These dickheads I buy going toe-to-toe with Super Saiyans. This is totally an appropriate shift from God Emperor of the Universe to shitbag teens listening to Nirvana.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#9704: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:38:41 PM

Good god, the Adveture of Dumplin is hilarious so far.

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Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#9705: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:40:28 PM

Being a Super Saiyan should have weight, it shouldn't just be something you dress up as.

Tell that to Trunks and Goten.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9706: Feb 26th 2015 at 6:27:22 PM

The characters are already a hodgepodge of implausible features and traits. You can take one race and make it bare absolutely no resemblance to the race it started as.

I'm aware of games that make racial differences work but Dragon Ball's races make that fucking hard. Most of them are really only separated by their appearance and power. And you can't implement the power differences.

Cosmetic options absolutely do matter, even if they don't have an impact on battle. There is absolutely nothing to be gained from forcing aesthetics and performance to be tied together, because you can implement any number of gameplay differences without needing to tie them to anything cosmetic.

Kaio-ken and Super Saiyan are already the same thing. The only difference is appearance, and Super Saiyan being objectively better in every way. Do you really want to implement that? I don't find it boring just because the transformations are equal. They'd both still have "weight" because the transformation still boosts you. But your choice in aesthetic doesn't need to restrict your gameplay options.

Only Dragon Clan Namekians can make the balls. The playable versions are based on warriors. Stretchy arms would make way more sense, because the reach can make a big difference in a fighting game.

Personally I think they gave them the item bonus so that health items would heal more, fitting the regeneration theme. Tying it to the Dragon Balls makes no sense.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#9707: Feb 26th 2015 at 9:44:11 PM

There's validity on both sides, I think:

There's something to be said about having character creation that puts you inside the universe as a part of it - with a measure of its restrictions and benefits - rather than just having the universe be the plaything of the user, if you're the kind of player where that sort of thing hurts your immersion (something similar to this is more or less why Xenoverse hasn't interested me anywhere near as much as Super Extreme Butoden). However, if poorly balanced that sort of thing can easily lead to poor design, and DBZ fighting games don't always have the best track record with character balance in the first place (anime fighting games and all).

On the other hand, a character creator that pigeonholes the user based on aesthetic choices to the extent that they limit their ability to create a character the way they want to in the first place, can be really annoying and is outright bad when paired with irritating balancing (or even logic) in regards to the choices' effects. It something I still have strong memories disliking about Soul Calibur IV and both its good/evil mechanics and its ability system for character creation, and from what you guys are saying the restrictions there don't hold a candle to the restrictions here.

I wonder what a good middle ground would be.

edited 27th Feb '15 9:16:17 AM by KnownUnknown

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#9708: Feb 27th 2015 at 5:24:19 AM

I've been playing Xenoverse since last night. It's pretty good, but holy cow does motion blur nauseate. Had to turn that sucker off.

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Dragon_Ranger Since: Jan, 2010
#9710: Feb 28th 2015 at 7:50:32 AM

I love how the only alteraltion to the Raditz fight is giving him the ability to dodge.

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#9711: Feb 28th 2015 at 12:35:38 PM

And apparently it was Gohan who harmed him enough to fail to break a full Nelson.

So, in this altered history, Gohan's rage did nothing, since Raditz dodged the headbutt and instead got his shit rocked by Dumplin. Wouldn't Piccolo be much less interested in training Gohan in that case?

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#9712: Feb 28th 2015 at 12:52:51 PM

I noticed Piccolo had both his arms for the entire duration of that scene. Didn't he get it blown off very early in the fight and not re-grow it till after Raditz died?

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#9713: Feb 28th 2015 at 12:54:50 PM

Huh. You're right. Having only one arm was part of the reason the Masanakalopolis took so long to charge.

Maybe Dumplin or Stocke or Marty went back earlier and prevented his arm loss.

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#9714: Feb 28th 2015 at 1:10:34 PM

Or since this version of Raditz was stronger than the one in canon, (at least according to the voice of Trunks that was advising Dumpling) Goku and Piccolo never attacked quite as recklessly as in canon, and thus never ran straight into a blast capable of dismemberment.

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#9715: Feb 28th 2015 at 1:18:14 PM

I think it was the evil chick's magic that made Radditz stronger.

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#9716: Feb 28th 2015 at 1:18:41 PM

Huh. I assumed he only got stronger at the moment he went all dark and glowy.

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Dragon_Ranger Since: Jan, 2010
#9717: Feb 28th 2015 at 1:39:39 PM

I get the impression that, at the point the player character intervenes, it's at a point before Piccolo gets his arm blown off. Then again, the game seems to go out of its way to make sure not to show anything too graphic. Even in the video, TFS mention how there aren't any blast holes in Raditz or Goku when the attack hits.

edited 28th Feb '15 1:45:53 PM by Dragon_Ranger

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#9718: Feb 28th 2015 at 1:46:25 PM

Or they were too lazy to make a different model.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9719: Feb 28th 2015 at 3:04:02 PM

No, they can't show Piccolo without his arm for rating reasons. This has always been the case, and it's why Future Gohan always has both arms despite having the facial scars he got at the same time he lost his arm.

So, in this altered history, Gohan's rage did nothing, since Raditz dodged the headbutt and instead got his shit rocked by Dumplin. Wouldn't Piccolo be much less interested in training Gohan in that case?

Good point. However, since Piccolo can sense ki, and Gohan's battle power was still 1307 at that point, Piccolo would realize he's way stronger than Goku or himself.

Dragon_Ranger Since: Jan, 2010
#9720: Feb 28th 2015 at 3:44:09 PM

So, I'm probably way overthinking this, but I just realized something about Captain Ginyu. Is there any real proof that the Ginyu we see is even really him? Considering his signature ability is body swapping, and he can use that power regardless of whose body he inhabits, it just left me wondering.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#9721: Feb 28th 2015 at 3:46:17 PM

None really.

It's entirely possible that we've never seen Ginyu's real race at all.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#9722: Feb 28th 2015 at 3:46:44 PM

[up][up]I doubt it.

It's quite probable he's done that multiple times before, and permanently.

At least, until he found someone better.

edited 28th Feb '15 3:51:27 PM by BaconManiac5000

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9723: Feb 28th 2015 at 4:05:57 PM

There are numerous things in side material that contradict themselves on that. Some say it is his original form, others say it isn't.

Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#9724: Feb 28th 2015 at 4:20:39 PM

Does kinda make you wonder why he never used it on Freiza, though.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#9725: Feb 28th 2015 at 4:21:08 PM

Maybe Freeza was too strong or something.

Or he was too scared. Or stupid.

Oh really when?

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