And in Xenoverse, they made a little Majin called Dumplin with the Ghost Nappa voice. And now they're saying it's voiced by Danny De Vito.
...this is going to be an fun ride.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Arrow + Button, with some variation, in 3. And only basic ones, like Kamehameha and Galick Gun and the like.
Now it's on a visible button map: Square for Kamehameha, Triangle for Meteor Strike, O for Instant Transmission.
And you have to hold a trigger button to bring up that button. So it's trigger + face button, virtually the same as Budokai 3. They're the same kind of special attack, as well.
Budokai 3 also had Ultimates mapped on one trigger, though you needed to be in Hyper Mode... which was the same trigger. Infinite World / Burst Limit then made it Up and Circle.
Xenoverse has you use both triggers and a face button for Ultimates. Other than the choice of which buttons or triggers they're mapped to, it's the same.
Two things that bugged me about selecting a race:
- I don't think every race should learn the Kaioken. Saiyans shouldn't (make Goku the exception), Frieza's race should have their transformations (and an official NAME), Namekians should have eith "Unlock Potential" as a small permanent boost or Fusion if you have a Namekian teammate, and Majins should... probably not have anything. Humans should keep the Kaioken.
- The background pictures for specimens of the race. Specifically, Namekians could've had Nail at least, and "Frieza's Race" could've had Cooler and King Cold.
If those things were changed, I'd like to see a DLC Human/Saiyan hybrid class.
I think the issue with Frieza's race is that each transformation would have been altered by your customizations to the character. Which, even with the relatively limited customization allowed, would probably be a nightmare.
My various fanfics.Even with the Saiyans, your hairstyle doesn't change when you go Super Saiyan. It just changes colour. Honestly, the Ca C stuff has quite a lot of customisation. Sure, it doesn't go to RPG levels, but it's definitely better than, say, Ultimate Tenkaichi.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Right, right, that's what I meant to say. Wasn't that a thing exclusive to Frieza?
My various fanfics.Well, Cooler is movie-only and we never see King Cold transform, although it doesn't mean he can't. He looks like Freeza's second form. So I don't think there's a clear answer to that.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!King Cold looks like Frieza's second form, so there is a chance he just hangs out in that form, but it's also possible that's just how he naturally looks. Maybe Frieza even modeled his second form after him, if he has a say in how his forms look.
...Does that mean his third form looks like his mom?
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!"Who else just imagined Freeza with boobs?"
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!@Wander The background pictures only use characters in Xenoverse. That's why the lack of Nail, Cooler and King Cold, to avoid Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Game.
Making a transformation that was only used by Saiyans exclusive to humans is just plain weird. Goku sure was an exception... because none of the humans could learn it. I've seen people say the same for Gohan's mystic state, which is even worse because Saiyans are the only race where it means something other than another "unlock potential".
I just don't see the value in taking it from races that are just as capable of using it. I know that humans don't have anything to use as their own transformation, but trying to give each race its own unique transformation just isn't going to work.
If you really want to balance it, make Kaio-ken function identically to Super Saiyan. Kaio-ken x 2 to correspond to Super Saiyan 1, x 10 to Super Saiyan 2, and x 20 to Super Saiyan 3. So everyone can still have Kaio-ken but Saiyans don't get any advantage out of it, it's just a choice of flavour. Then the same thing can be done for Freeza style transformations or whatever.
I'd really, really prefer the races to be more of a flavour thing than impact gameplay. Otherwise some races just become better than others even if they look balanced on paper.
I think Xenoverse honestly just brought over too many of the MMO aspects. Rather than having multiple races, I think you could just toss all the race characteristics into a single character creator and having players choose through customisation what their character will be rather than picking a race and being limited from there. Then you can make all sorts of freaky alien genotypes and not just the most common races we've seen. I wrote a larger post on another forum about how to handle it:
Transformations would be a bitch in that system, but you could also make custom transformations - that might sound complicated, but it'd be quite easy. Just like how you can recustomise your character and save alternate costumes, you can take your base character and design their transformation.
Want Super Saiyan? Give the transformation blonde hair and green eyes, plus the aura change. Drag the muscle slider across for any of the graded forms, etc.
The amount of transformations would be limited to a certain number (matching whatever original character has the most forms) and can be unlocked through spending attribute points, just like how you add additional ki bars currently.
It sounds like it'd be a mess but if you think about it, there are a lot of things that would be simplified like this. Mixing the races isn't hard when we've already had things like Namekian antennae or Majin tentacles categorized as "hairstyles".
You'd need to add a tail option, a skin type option (which can add things like Majin pores, Namekian pad things or Cell's splotchy skin pattern etc) and you'd be set.
edited 26th Feb '15 12:38:22 AM by Saiga
HOW RUDE!
You can customize it's appearance to look like Freeza's Fourth form (or even Cooler's fifth.)
edited 26th Feb '15 7:26:35 AM by Lionheart0
The amount of transformations would be limited to a certain number (matching whatever original character has the most forms) and can be unlocked through spending attribute points, just like how you add additional ki bars currently.
You want... the character creator, the aesthetic options, to come first, over gameplay-affecting options? Turn the race transformations into window dressing, and get rid of racial bonuses all together. Giving characters "upgrade/transformation points" and making the transformations themselves effectively the same, in the name of balance?
While that may free up space for creativity, I'd much rather have racial bonuses than "points" for transformations. I've waited a long time for the Zenkai aspect of Saiyans to be implemented in a game, and now you're saying the game would be better off without any racial traits. You'd rather have 100 different kinds of makeup rather than makeup that makes heads explode or fires lasers or defies gravity.
I'm going to have to disagree, these traits are too cute and corresponsive to be traded for game balance:
- Saiyans have low health, but high attack power; their stats increase = most of the Saiyans were weak and died early, but we know at least a few of them can/did gain colossal amounts of strength. Goku would've died early because of the heart virus, despite being the world's strongest man. The game also considers Zenkais by having their stats rise when revived.
- Humans are the "middlemen".
- Majins have high defense but low stamina - Majin Buu can take a lot of punishment, yet what happens in the last fight, he gets winded, Kid Buu outlasts him.
- Namekians regenerate, their items are more effective, they've got high health and stamina recovery - this plays into their regenerative ability, their healing ability, and how they've got control over one of the most useful artifacts in the series - a literal plot device. All of these traits in-game make sense.
- Frieza's (Freezers?) have speed but low attack, can paralyze enemies, and get a speed bonus with low Health - Frieza spent most of his time Cherry Tapping the heroes and has an ability that can imprison an opponent. After Goku gave him energy, Frieza immediately launched an attack at him.
edited 26th Feb '15 7:48:59 AM by FOFD
Yes. Vegeta is a Super-Elite by Saiyan standards with a battle power of 18,000; Krillin far exceeds that.
He's also more powerful than Nail, the strongest non-Piccolo Namekian, who also had his potential unlocked by Guru.
And he outclasses four out of five members of the Ginyu Force.
Krillin's not just the strongest human; he's one of the most powerful beings in the entire universe.
edited 26th Feb '15 12:39:30 PM by TobiasDrake
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You can't away with jack in the Dragonball universe.
Fuck with Earth? Goku and/or Gohan kill you. F'ck with the Saiyans? One of them hunts you down years later. F'ck around with the universe? The Kais or Beerus will pay you a visit. F'ck with the Kais? You don't f'ck with them unless you're Majin Buu and Beerus is sleeping at the time. F'ck around with time? There's a Supreme Kai in charge of time.
edited 25th Feb '15 6:26:17 PM by FOFD