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#9526: Feb 19th 2015 at 5:29:09 AM

Problem with Hellzone Grenade is that its effectiveness depends on deception; your opponent thinks you're firing wildly and missing, only to end up in the center of the "Minefield" while they're busy dodging.

Thing is, sneak attacks only work one time.

For something like that to remain effective, it also needs improvements. Maybe make the shots home on the enemy from the beginning, or make it dense enough to be a cage with no holes, or something of that nature.

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#9527: Feb 19th 2015 at 6:19:01 AM

Hellzone Grenade, like the name implies, is a zoning technique. Where you can control traps and projectiles at will. In the heat of a battle, the opponent barely notices such things, so just gradually produce the balls (as in, make sure they stop, instead of reaching the horizon) and move them to the right places until there isn't much room for the opponent to run into. It can work even when the opponent is expecting it.

I like the idea of a Hellzone Kienzan, as it could take the form of a 2D Zelda room filled with moving spike/blade traps, where the user can change the pattern at will. The opponent needs to keep focus on dodging.

...The perfect training ground for Gohan evil grin

edited 19th Feb '15 6:19:57 AM by JonnasN

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#9528: Feb 19th 2015 at 6:29:35 AM

Anything to make your opponent go...

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#9529: Feb 19th 2015 at 7:49:40 AM

Well, there were Freeza's forms which nobody tried to stop, but that's just part of why that fight sucked.

Well, Vegeta was goading Frieza into it the first time out of misplaced optimism, and the impression I got from the second and third transformations were that everyone was intimidated to go near him, given the fact that even mid-transformation, he could probably kill any one of them with a good, hard swat of his tail.

It's the uninterrupted transition to 100% Full Power that's the silliest.

Thing is, sneak attacks only work one time.

Per foe, anyway. Like, if Piccolo had been strong enough to be even the slightest bit relevant against Majin Buu, he might have been able to hit Super Buu with it because the latter wasn't around to see him do it against 17.

edited 19th Feb '15 7:50:03 AM by TobiasDrake

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#9530: Feb 19th 2015 at 8:08:16 AM

True.

For all the good it'd do against Buu, but that's not his fault.

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#9531: Feb 19th 2015 at 10:58:24 AM

Hellzone Grenade's a good attack. Piccolo telegraphed it when he started purposely missing 17. If you're just firing a bunch of blasts Vegeta-style, and your opponent is busy dodging, they won't realize those dodged blasts are still hanging around.

Using Hellzone Grenade should not be your objective when shooting the blasts, but it's a great back up plan.

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#9532: Feb 19th 2015 at 11:48:28 AM

I'm more curious about what Piccolo intended to do if his attack had finished 17 off. What about his equally powerful sister, and the giant next to her?

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#9533: Feb 19th 2015 at 11:52:05 AM

Piccolo didn't intend much of anything. The Androids sprung this battle on him. He volunteered, but that doesn't change the fact that these are not the circumstances under which he would have wanted to engage them.

If Piccolo could have things go the way he intended, he probably would have fought Cell first, destroyed him with his newfound power, and then worked out a plan for the Androids.

edited 19th Feb '15 11:52:14 AM by TobiasDrake

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#9534: Feb 19th 2015 at 11:56:55 AM

Either way, killing 17 would've prevented Cell from reaching full power (can't recall if Piccolo knew this?) at which point Vegeta would've actually defeated the arc villain.

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#9535: Feb 19th 2015 at 11:58:04 AM

He did. Cell exposited about his Perfect Form during his unnecessary Infodump conversation with Piccolo.

edited 19th Feb '15 11:58:16 AM by TobiasDrake

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#9536: Feb 19th 2015 at 11:58:14 AM

[up](x3)Fair enough.

edited 19th Feb '15 11:58:34 AM by FOFD

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#9537: Feb 19th 2015 at 11:58:46 AM

Besides, if he killed 17, he would have stopped him from being Perfect. We'd just get Semi-perfect, and then Vegeta would kill him. And somehow, Vegeta would actually save the day.

[nja]'d, almost word for word. I knew I wasted too much time trying to look for what it would look like if Cell absorbed 18 first.

edited 19th Feb '15 11:59:27 AM by SonOfSharknado

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#9538: Feb 19th 2015 at 12:01:44 PM

^^^ Keeping in mind that that's only in the canon version. Abridged!Cell didn't say anything to Piccolo about what he intended to do when he found the Androids, or what he wanted from them.

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#9539: Feb 19th 2015 at 12:02:36 PM

[up][up]Wouldn't Cell have looked the same as he does when he absorbed 17? It's just a stage in Cell's own life cycle. No like Buu and taking on a characteristic of those absorbed.

[down] Dream?

edited 19th Feb '15 12:04:15 PM by GethKnight

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#9540: Feb 19th 2015 at 12:03:11 PM

Well, there was that dream where he absorbed Krillin...

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#9541: Feb 19th 2015 at 12:20:51 PM

I thought Vegeta's Final Flash would have killed Perfect Cell anyway if he didn't arc it slightly away from the planet.

Oh really when?
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#9542: Feb 19th 2015 at 12:36:50 PM

[up][up][up] Budokai 1 has a what-if story mode involving Cell accidentally absorbing Krillin, becoming a scrawny Krillin-sized and weakened "Perfect Cell", easily defeating Yamcha (natch) and getting incinerated by a Tribeam.

And then he wakes up. Turns out it was a nightmare Cell was having whole standing in that one spot while waiting for the Cell Games to start.

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#9544: Feb 19th 2015 at 2:36:01 PM

I'm not sure if anyone on here know's about this, but Bamco announced a new 2D Butoden game for the 3DS: Dragon Ball Z Extreme Butoden!

The game will have over 100 characters, both playable and assists. It's also being made by Arc System Works (Guilty Gear, Blaz Blue, Persona Arena, Super Sonic Warriors) and it looks like it'll be taking some cues from the SSW series. (3D backgrounds, Assist characters, etc...) Here's some of the playable and assist characters confirmed so far:

  • Goku
  • Teen Gohan
  • Gohan
  • Bardock
  • Chi-Chi
  • Vegeta
  • Kid Trunks
  • Bulma
  • Mr. Satan
  • Videl
  • Piccolo
  • Krillin
  • Yamcha
  • Dende
  • Yajirobe
  • Oolong
  • Dr. Briefs
  • Gotenks
  • Uub
  • Pikkon
  • Spike the Devilman
  • Raditz
  • Nappa
  • Zarbon
  • Dadoria
  • Jeice
  • Frieza
  • Chilled
  • 18
  • Cell
  • Cell Jr.
  • Yamu
  • Dabura
  • Kid Buu
  • Beerus
  • Nuova Shenron

That's 36 out of the 100+ roster. I wonder who else will be in...

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#9545: Feb 19th 2015 at 2:41:16 PM

So a new Super Sonic Warriors?

I loved the fuck out of that game, when we do Americans get it?

Oh really when?
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#9546: Feb 19th 2015 at 3:04:05 PM

Not sure, we didn't get the previous Butoden games (though the DS one had a reason since the 3DS was already on the way by the time that game came out), but Bamco has been on a roll with the localizations recently, so I'd say either around the same time it comes out in Japan (Summer 2015) or a few months afterwards.

Dragon_Ranger Since: Jan, 2010
#9547: Feb 19th 2015 at 3:11:42 PM

Kirran is a pretty good monster. Either that, or the rest of the team just isn't very good.

It's rather interesting seeing the entire game from Lani's perspective too. It makes Kirran's actions that much harder to follow.

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#9548: Feb 19th 2015 at 5:38:55 PM

edited 19th Feb '15 5:39:24 PM by Lionheart0

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#9549: Feb 19th 2015 at 5:39:15 PM

Well they almost had Kirran in the second video, but then Murphy's Law went into full effect.

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#9550: Feb 19th 2015 at 6:50:28 PM

Piccolo totally picked a completely avoidable fight with the Androids, and was planning on fighting them 3-on-1. It was only when 17 wanted to take him alone that Piccolo thought he might be able to just take out 17 and prevent Cell from becoming perfect.


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