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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#9501: Feb 18th 2015 at 3:00:12 PM

Why can't the Oozaru form of a Saiyan who can fly fly?

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#9502: Feb 18th 2015 at 3:08:17 PM

It's not that he can't. It's that he doesn't. Because he doesn't need to.

At no point are any of Oozaru Vegeta's targets able to escape his reach via flight. At his size, he can reach them just fine on the ground.

edited 18th Feb '15 3:08:26 PM by TobiasDrake

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#9504: Feb 18th 2015 at 3:54:48 PM

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Vegeta's the only one, and at the time he transformed, it didn't matter. In the games the Oozarus can fly. The Bardock film brought up that none of Bardock's unit could remember what happened after they transformed, so it might just be a byproduct of Berserker Rage also.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
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#9506: Feb 18th 2015 at 4:21:47 PM

Did they ever suggest TFS Z?

Also, after having seen AH's Let's Plays of Evolve, it was nice to actually see someone attack the power relay. I actually thought Kirran was going to get killed doing that.

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Dragon_Ranger Since: Jan, 2010
#9508: Feb 18th 2015 at 4:30:45 PM

I kind of want to see TFS vs Achievement Hunter.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#9509: Feb 18th 2015 at 5:03:22 PM

Okay, Spirit Bomb question.

I've heard two stories about "bouncing" it. One is that you gotta be not-evil to do so. The other being that it's locked on to one person's ki signature, and won't harm anyone but the intended target.

Which is true?

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Dragon_Ranger Since: Jan, 2010
#9510: Feb 18th 2015 at 5:07:53 PM

I've never heard of the latter, and considering Goku has to be pure-hearted (base form) to even use it, I'm willing to guess it's the first one.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#9511: Feb 18th 2015 at 6:27:01 PM

With Piccolo there instead of Gohan, Vegeta would have been only minorly inconvenienced because 3,500 is still not even close to a threat to Vegeta. Meanwhile, the Spirit Bomb would have certainly killed Piccolo when Krillin attempted to throw it, leaving just Goku and Krillin to fend off Vegeta. Without either the Spirit Bomb or Gohan to become the Oozaru, Vegeta would have effortlessly slaughtered them all after his tail was cut.

...it's good that Piccolo died.

That's assuming they did the exact same thing they did in the regular situation.

If Gohan died, it could have played out completely differently.

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#9512: Feb 18th 2015 at 6:27:20 PM

It's the first one. Gohan could rebound the Spirit Bomb because he was pure of heart.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9513: Feb 18th 2015 at 6:50:43 PM

Kienzan spam wouldn't work. Kuririn wasn't at that level yet.

And even if he was, the Kienzan is just plain slow. Vegeta casually dodged it without being able to see or sense it. There's no trickery to be had with it, it flat out sucks as a projectile.

Freeza also dodged the spam version and Goku found a double homing version an absolute joke to him.

On the Genki Dama, it's never made clear. Goku says because Gohan doesn't have an evil chi he can bounce it back, buuuut the Genki Dama was currently "locked" onto evil chi by Kuririn. So I think that is the important part.

[up][up] Piccolo simply isn't as useful as Gohan, so they all die no matter how it plays out. They gave it all they had and barely beat him. Gohan's rage can make him stronger than Piccolo (as Pic said) and his Oozaru is way stronger than Piccolo. They die without him.

edited 18th Feb '15 6:54:58 PM by Saiga

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#9514: Feb 18th 2015 at 6:53:37 PM

He needed to improve the disc. More speed of creation, faster flying speed, or other things, like maybe a frag-grenade type deal.

edited 18th Feb '15 6:54:02 PM by Enlong

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#9515: Feb 18th 2015 at 9:49:23 PM

Vegeta casually dodged it without being able to see or sense it.

Didn't he hear it with his large monkey ears?

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#9516: Feb 18th 2015 at 10:52:05 PM

Oh. Monkeys can fly in the game. Alright then.

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#9517: Feb 18th 2015 at 10:53:18 PM

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If you count an anime filler scene (from when he cut frieza's tail) he technically already invented that one.

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#9518: Feb 18th 2015 at 10:54:21 PM

[up][up] That would be Kriccolo's signature move if the pair used the Potara, and it would be fantastic.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#9519: Feb 18th 2015 at 11:07:35 PM

More like Picolin.

I'd still like to see Piccolo and Pikkon do the Fusion Dance.

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#9520: Feb 19th 2015 at 12:12:41 AM

Picolin sounds like some sort of pharmaceutical.

Picolin may cause stunted growth, green discoloration and outbursts of supporting character syndrome. Don't take Picolin if you're prone to panic attacks, or are averse to having your personality split into good and evil halves.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9521: Feb 19th 2015 at 12:29:15 AM

To be honest the Hellzone Grenade isn't really that good a technique, because it's a long set up and you need your opponent to sit in the centre of it and wait.

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#9522: Feb 19th 2015 at 12:39:13 AM

To be fair, sitting around waiting while your opponent powers up or prepares an attack is something they do a lot of in Dragon Ball Z.

Piccolo be metagaming.

edited 19th Feb '15 12:39:47 AM by Anomalocaris20

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9523: Feb 19th 2015 at 12:43:28 AM

Eh, a filler thing. Vegeta at least has the good sense to appeal to ego or use the Earth as a hostage to make people sit in front of his attacks, but it doesn't happen very often.

Well, there were Freeza's forms which nobody tried to stop, but that's just part of why that fight sucked.

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#9524: Feb 19th 2015 at 12:45:16 AM

Cell did a lot of standing around and letting his opponents charge up moves too once he became perfect, but that was also an ego thing.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#9525: Feb 19th 2015 at 12:58:27 AM

That was what I was talking about for Vegeta's goading.

There was also standing by while Goku charged a Kamehameha, because he thought Goku was bluffing about aiming at the Earth.


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