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#8976: Dec 27th 2014 at 2:46:18 PM

[up]And GT, for what it's worth.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#8977: Dec 27th 2014 at 3:22:29 PM

I don't think Freeza's death saucer attack is actually copied from Krillian, I think they both just happened to have designed the exact same move. Also, Vegeta used something very similar to the destructo disk to chop off Gohan's tail, I don't know if that means anything.

I was thinking about the possible reason why Bulma's device was changed from an Android "off" switch to a detonator for the bombs and I came up with one possibility. When she hands the device off to Krillian she'll probably go on at length about how it will blow Android 18 into teeny tiny little pieces "like BOOM! It'll be raining Android for days," right in front of Krillian, who still has a crush on her.

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#8978: Dec 27th 2014 at 3:24:00 PM

I don't know if that means anything.

It means that while Goku IS a prolific move thief, complaints about characters stealing moves are silly because this is not one of those series where everyone has one or two Signature Moves that is theirs and only theirs and no one else can have or learn it. Techniques get passed around a lot as well as being invented by multiple sources.

edited 27th Dec '14 3:24:57 PM by TobiasDrake

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#8979: Dec 27th 2014 at 3:43:44 PM

[up][up]. Frieza's version is best because he can control where the discs go. Though, instead of being an instrinsic part of the technique he could have just been using telekinesis to control it.

edited 27th Dec '14 3:45:21 PM by LSBK

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#8980: Dec 27th 2014 at 3:50:25 PM

[up] That is possible.

Goku and Krillin have both frequently demonstrated an aptitude for bending their ki attacks. They demonstrate this with curved beams, Goku's Kamehameha spheres, Krillin's Saibamen-killing umbrella attack, even the kienzan itself is just ki curved into a sawblade edge. It's not that far of a leap to start manipulating the kienzan's flight pattern.

edited 27th Dec '14 3:50:58 PM by TobiasDrake

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#8981: Dec 27th 2014 at 3:56:53 PM

I find it funny that Toriyama's released stat books showing concrete power levels for so many points in the series, when he allegedly introduced scouters for the purpose of showing how much of a bad idea it was for the villains to rely on concrete power level numbers like that.

That's because that idea is unfounded. Toriyama's never actually discussed what purpose he introduced Battle Powers for, the closest is that in Shenlong Times Toriyama discusses that he tried to improve Dragon Ball's popularity in the Saiyan arc. Since Battle Powers were already pretty popular in Japan due to other series, this could have been one of the things Toriyama used to try and boost the popularity. Buuuut many things changed/introduced in the Saiyan arc (Goku's an alien, Goku dies, Piccolo's a good guy, Gohan's introduced, the battles escalate) that it's hard to say what Toriyama might have meant.

Buu got more humanoid the more people he absorbed, but consistently wore the clothes of the stronger absorbee. No need to overanalyze it, Piccolo is the 4th unfused fighter, and the kids are no counts until they learned how to fuse.

I already pointed out that this was wrong. Fat Boo wears the clothes (and takes the shape) of the weakest person he had absorbed. The only consistency that we know is with Gotenks-Boo and Gohan-Boo, which is only two people. It's not over-analysing it to say Goten/Trunks are stronger - there are so many points in their favour you have to be trying to prove Piccolo is stronger to come up with a way around it. Saying Boo's appearance can be used to measure the strongest when nothing ever actually says this is over-analysing things.


On Goku "stealing" techniques: The thing is, ki seems pretty easy to manipulate, so stuff like the Kienzan just isn't actually hard to do at all. Kuririn was more like the first person we see to do it than any real inventor, as the series goes on it seems like it's pretty easy to do stuff like that if you just try. I don't really count it as stealing techniques.

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#8982: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:03:10 PM

I agree with the point about Buu+Piccolo looking distinctly different from Buu + Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo. However, I thought Dai Kaioshin was stronger than South Kaioshin, but that Majin Buu's power fell as a consequence of Dai Kaioshin's pure heart and peaceful nature, not because Dai Kaioshin literally has a negative battle power.

edited 27th Dec '14 4:04:28 PM by TobiasDrake

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#8983: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:04:55 PM

South Kaioshin was the strongest of all 5 Kaioshin. Dai Kaioshin's battle power still wasn't the reason Fat Boo's strength was lowered, though, you are right in that it was his kindness.

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#8984: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:08:02 PM

That has me wondering all of a sudden.

If Gohan hadn't been Ultimate when Super Buu absorbed him - which seemed to affect his temperament in a similar fashion as Super Saiyan 2 - could his absorption have defused Super Buu's bloodlust the same way Dai Kaioshin did for Buff Buu? I mean, I know he already has Fat Buu in him, but that's a double dosage of peaceful kindness.

edited 27th Dec '14 4:08:33 PM by TobiasDrake

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#8985: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:09:32 PM

Probably not, he wasn't really shying away from the fighting earlier in the arc. Or at any time that wasn't early Saiyan arc/the Cell Games. I'd say Ultimate didn't make him any less peaceful or kind (well, he does randomly call Boo a retard)

We don't really know how peaceful Dai Kaioshin is, but I'd say you need to be particularly hippy to affect someone as evil as the original Boo was.

edited 27th Dec '14 4:13:33 PM by Saiga

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#8986: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:14:43 PM

Yeah, but Ultimate Gohan seemed to revive his impulse from the first time he turned Super Saiyan 2 of "I know you can't possibly win, and you're a cunt, so I'm gonna make you suffer."

Son Gohan's a vindictive, sadistic shit, ain't he?

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#8987: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:17:20 PM

Yeah, and I honestly don't think that trait is good thing to give him (as I was talking about earlier). Makes sense? Definitely. A good choice for his characterisation? I don't think so.

That does remind me: if Gohan was more the type to end things quickly, because he doesn't enjoy fighting, that would give so much more meaning to the line he delivers to Boo:

Gohan: Fight you? No. I want to kill you.

edited 27th Dec '14 4:17:48 PM by Saiga

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#8988: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:28:52 PM

That line does still work, though. That was his way of telling Buu that there was no possible way he was going to win. And he was going to kill Buu. Slowly.

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#8989: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:30:34 PM

Who is "Krillian"?

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#8990: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:33:02 PM

Police man Krillin.

just 5 weeks from retirement,dammit!

GT Krillin does have the grumpy Cop Boss look going on.

edited 27th Dec '14 4:33:58 PM by alekos23

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#8991: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:36:01 PM

[up][up][up] It does work, as is. It just works even better if Gohan's not there to enjoy the fight.

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#8992: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:37:54 PM

Hah, Krillin should retire from fighting and join the police force.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#8993: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:39:09 PM

He cant be stopped.he can be bargained with.i dont really remember the rest of the Terminator hype,someone finish the rest Krillin esque.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#8994: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:41:04 PM

If Gohan hadn't been Ultimate when Super Buu absorbed him - which seemed to affect his temperament in a similar fashion as Super Saiyan 2 - could his absorption have defused Super Buu's bloodlust the same way Dai Kaioshin did for Buff Buu? I mean, I know he already has Fat Buu in him, but that's a double dosage of peaceful kindness.

My question is: What would've happened if Buu managed to absorb Goku after the Vegito debacle?

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#8996: Dec 27th 2014 at 4:49:16 PM

[up] That, yes.

Goku has a kind heart but he is a FAR cry from a peaceful nature. He loves him some violence.

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#8997: Dec 27th 2014 at 5:08:10 PM

17 gets absorbed in the next episode, I'm betting.

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#8998: Dec 27th 2014 at 5:18:39 PM

The last person Buu absorbs takes precedence over previous absorbees. Influence of personality traits are still there unless trumped by the new absorption. Personality traits will always trump, while the highest influence(usually power levels)will determine his appearance, unless the latest absorbee is weaker than the previous.

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#8999: Dec 27th 2014 at 5:22:30 PM

Goku created Dragon Fist...but that's a movie only thing.

I thought Dragon Fist was the name of the Kamehameha-assisted punch he used to kill Demon King Piccolo.

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#9000: Dec 27th 2014 at 5:26:08 PM

[up](x5)

Wasn't Goku's being "pure of heart" the only reason he was able to ride the Nimbus? And he rode that thing until the battle with Vegeta and Nappa. Goku was also still "good enough" to keep his body, both of the times he died - and was good enough to come back to Earth for a day.

He can't be that far away on the goodness meter from Fat Kaioshin-sama.

edited 27th Dec '14 5:27:40 PM by FOFD


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