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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#8602: Dec 14th 2014 at 2:51:15 PM

I really want a full version of Lani doing the old Dragon Ball theme.

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#8603: Dec 14th 2014 at 3:34:15 PM

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but the attack did not work due to Goku's naive nature.

Somethng comically serious about that whole article.

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#8604: Dec 15th 2014 at 12:29:47 PM

DBCEMBER #10

The top 10 kicks off with a bang.

Vegeta: Shut up! Taking this!

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#8605: Dec 15th 2014 at 4:22:04 PM

Haha, well when you put it that way, no wonder Vegeta feels like shit compared to Goku. Kakarot always comes in and one-ups him, and the only time it's reversed is when he's having a heart attack.

So just a thought: besides "for the sake of the narrative", why did they need everyone on Earth to power that last Spirit Bomb? Their collective strength could likely barely mean another one of the middling Z Fighters, even with Android 17 helping. Maybe they could've just teleported the Z fighters to New Namek and used their help. Or used the power of the people in Otherworld. Pikkon, Yemma and the Kais would likely make a bigger difference.

edited 15th Dec '14 5:00:47 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#8606: Dec 15th 2014 at 5:13:24 PM

Does someone's power level actually matter when donating to a spirit bomb? Because the Sun can give energy, as do rocks and inanimate objects. It seems likely the power level of the donator means nothing when gathering a spirit bomb.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#8607: Dec 15th 2014 at 5:28:37 PM

Not sure if it's anime dub only, but Goku did notice the bomb greatly increase in power after Gohan and the rest gave him power. Though it was still smaller than the size it ultimately became, so the shear numbers from having every single person on the planet was probably needed.

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#8608: Dec 15th 2014 at 5:40:03 PM

You mean "sheer".

I assumed that it was based off of Ki, but I guess it's not, considering it can use the power of the Sun. ...So you'd probably still prefer it to be done on New Namek, if it had 3 suns like Old Namek, with a stonger population who are more willing to contribute, or using the totality of Otherworld, or at least the fighters' realm.

Not that it didn't work on Earth.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#8609: Dec 15th 2014 at 6:05:13 PM

Not sure how accurate, but the Dragonball wiki does say that the Otherworld fighters and population of New Namek also contributed, not just the people on Earth.

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#8610: Dec 15th 2014 at 6:29:58 PM

There are 7 billion people on the planet Earth. If everyone donates only 1 power level to the Spirit Bomb, the end result is still probably powerful enough to annihilate Cell with power to spare. Now think about the fact that even Farmer With Shotgun had a power level of 5.

When Goku used the Spirit Bomb against Vegeta, he was interrupted and lost much of its power. Against Frieza, he had to make due with the remaining life force of a dead world. The Spirit Bomb we see against Majin Buu is the first time the attack gets to shine in all its glory, and it does not disappoint.

What's truly impressive about that moment is not that the Spirit Bomb succeeded; it's that it almost didn't. For one brief moment, Pure Buu very nearly outmatched the combined power of the entire planet and the god-shaming warrior pushing it.

edited 15th Dec '14 6:37:50 PM by TobiasDrake

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#8611: Dec 15th 2014 at 6:38:33 PM

7 billion is also enough to not matter after Gohan donates his power.

If people were donating their power level, Goten and Trunks should have fused or gone Super Saiyan to contribute - or just not bothered, because Gohan's power is already way above Boo.

The Genki Dama gathers Genki, which is a component of ki. It's still something the main characters have more of than normal humans, but the difference doesn't appear to be as large as the human's Genki still made up the majority of the Genki Dama.

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#8612: Dec 15th 2014 at 6:57:57 PM

"7 billion is also enough to not matter after Gohan donates his power."

Excellent wording. Though despite what DBZA tells us, I don't think you can donate all of your energy.

I still don't see how raising one's hands even works when you're giving it to a thing on another plane and planet.

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#8613: Dec 15th 2014 at 7:03:44 PM

Are there 7 billion people on Dragonball's earth? Coz its cities are sort of small.

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#8614: Dec 15th 2014 at 9:40:39 PM

Isn't "Power Level" more of a "Fighting Ability" and not actually the power in their spirits?

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#8615: Dec 15th 2014 at 9:42:28 PM

Rather the opposite. A character's Battle Power is indicative of their physical stats. Strength, speed, ki, etc. Part of what makes Goku so effective as a fighter is his ability to do more with less, outmaneuvering stronger opponents when he can't overpower them. Likewise, the reason why Frieza's forces were so thoroughly blindsided by the Earthlings is their overreliance on Battle Power; Frieza and his men - the Saiyans included - are remarkably uncreative fighters whose fighting style can be roughly summarized as "I'm stronger, therefore I win."

Krillin and Gohan can fly rings around them on Namek, surviving despite being so inferior to them that one good, solid punch should obliterate them - which Recoome, at one point, even demonstrates - because they just fight smarter.

edited 15th Dec '14 9:49:16 PM by TobiasDrake

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#8616: Dec 15th 2014 at 11:23:24 PM

Gohan and Kuririn had to get bailed out by Vegeta when facing the only Ginyu weaker than them.

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#8617: Dec 15th 2014 at 11:52:44 PM

[up]If you're talking about Guldo, remember the little guy had the power to stop time. And as Dio Brando demonstrated, that makes him overpowered and more than easily compensates his physical "weakness".

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#8618: Dec 16th 2014 at 12:17:46 AM

He didn't even need that, he just stopped them with Chaozu style paralysis.

As for flying rings around the rest of Freeza's soldiers... no, they really, really don't. They're barely scraping by for most of the arc, narrowly avoiding getting captured and killed. Really not the same thing. Recoome shows them getting taken out effortlessly, after only getting in one hit due to being ignored.

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#8619: Dec 16th 2014 at 12:19:21 AM

Guldo was the only one who fought intelligently, besides maybe Ginyu.

I'm glad that this is a DBZA/general DB thread.

I think we missed a moment, which I would've personally ranked much higher, and I don't even like Vegeta.

edited 16th Dec '14 12:28:11 AM by wanderlustwarrior

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#8620: Dec 16th 2014 at 5:24:05 AM

[up]Doesn't help that every following moment in the arc made it redundant.

edited 16th Dec '14 5:24:31 AM by Lionheart0

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#8621: Dec 16th 2014 at 6:56:35 AM

It was proven futile right away, but the point wasn't that it worked, the point was that he did it in the first place. Also, it was a well done scene, in my opinion.

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#8622: Dec 16th 2014 at 7:14:26 AM

He didn't even need that, he just stopped them with Chaozu style paralysis.

As for flying rings around the rest of Freeza's soldiers... no, they really, really don't. They're barely scraping by for most of the arc, narrowly avoiding getting captured and killed. Really not the same thing. Recoome shows them getting taken out effortlessly, after only getting in one hit due to being ignored.

Yes, if their opponent lands a hit, they go down effortlessly. That's the point of their lower power level.

But despite spending literally the entire arc as One Hit Point Wonders, Krillin and Gohan manage to rescue Dende from Frieza, Zarbon, and Dodoria directly, then elude Dodoria's ensuing pursuit. They steal a Dragon Ball right out from under Vegeta's nose. While they weren't able to handle the telekinesis, they did defeat Guldo's time freeze through skill and combat savvy. Krillin even managed to buy time against Frieza's Second Form for Dende to heal Gohan, and Piccolo, despite being badly injured and running solely on the power he could borrow from Krillin and Gohan, neither of which is powerful enough to mean much of anything, managed to spend some time fighting Frieza at 50% power to buy Goku the time to complete his Spirit Bomb.

At no point are Krillin or Gohan able to actually win a direct fight against Frieza's forces. They are so weak as to be largely irrelevant to the entire conflict on Namek. Despite that, they manage to pull some impressive accomplishments against the all-consuming titans of Frieza and his army through cleverness, combat skill, and non-damaging techniques such as the Solar Flare.

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#8623: Dec 16th 2014 at 9:30:52 AM

Why is it that when you called them "one hit point wonders", I started mentally picturing all of their actions with the Super Mario invincibility theme going on in the background?

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#8624: Dec 16th 2014 at 1:17:15 PM

Speaking of one hit point wonders, Frieza, meet Trunks. (#9)

edited 16th Dec '14 1:17:34 PM by OrionAurora

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#8625: Dec 16th 2014 at 2:26:11 PM

I think we missed a moment, which I would've personally ranked much higher, and I don't even like Vegeta.

Meh. I don't see why it'd be ranked higher. "Watch Vegeta do something two other character - one a complete stranger - have achieved already". If anything Vegeta's ascension to super saiyan marks the point where it stopped mattering and loss everything that made it special and awesome (As seen by him being taken out in his second fight as a Super Saiyan by 18).


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