TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Dragon Ball Z Abridged

Go To

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#7977: Oct 10th 2014 at 8:50:21 PM

There's so much weird shit here. From Yajirobe's little dodging-dance to how effortlessly he's clowning Krillin to Yamcha being Tien's equal and doing a Dodonpa...it's all fucked up.

My various fanfics.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7978: Oct 10th 2014 at 9:08:49 PM

And of course you don't mention Yajirobe eating Kuririn's ass because that part is normal.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#7979: Oct 10th 2014 at 9:57:03 PM

He'd probably eat Krillin if he were hungry enough and the latter were dead.

And the last part is questionable.

One Strip! One Strip!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7980: Oct 10th 2014 at 9:58:49 PM

Well, he (along with Goku) have already shown they're fine with murdering and eating sentient beings, so I guess it is just a matter of hunger.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#7981: Oct 11th 2014 at 10:04:08 AM

Well, humans in general seem okay with eating sentient beings. Cows, fish, chickens...

edited 11th Oct '14 10:04:14 AM by Enlong

I have a message from another time...
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#7982: Oct 11th 2014 at 10:28:54 AM

Not sure if those are sentient in the same way we are. If they were, we likely wouldn't eat them.

One Strip! One Strip!
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#7983: Oct 11th 2014 at 10:35:16 AM

No, we totally would. We just wouldn't advertise it at the supermarket.

Everyone knows that your hamburger originates from a store somewhere, and was never alive at any point. As long as it keeps on tasting delicious and nobody actually has to see it in person, only a very small percentage of the community cares about the conditions the cow was under when it died. Getting to reap the perks of violence without ever having to acknowledge it exists is one of the First World's foremost benefits.

It is a serious point of contention whether other human beings deserve the same basic rights as us. Good luck with the chicken. Sentience doesn't actually mean as much to us pragmatically as it does ideologically.

edited 11th Oct '14 10:42:49 AM by TobiasDrake

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
KSPAM PARTY PARTY PARTY I WANNA HAVE A PARTY from PARTY ROCK Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
PARTY PARTY PARTY I WANNA HAVE A PARTY
#7984: Oct 11th 2014 at 10:50:55 AM

To be fair, cows aren't exactly sentient/sapient in the same way, say, dolphins are. While dolphins were at one point killed and eaten, the revelation that dolphins may be one of only a handful of self-aware non-human species on Earth has caused a general decline in the practice.

Granted, we still basically enslave them, keep them in captivity and force them to perform for our amusement while ignoring their rights as thinking, feeling people in their own right, but hey. Baby steps tongue

EDIT: Studies also show that dolphins are total assholes, so there's that.

edited 11th Oct '14 10:51:55 AM by KSPAM

I've got new mythological machinery, and very handsome supernatural scenery. Goodfae: a mafia web serial
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#7985: Oct 11th 2014 at 10:55:03 AM

Well, yeah, we don't eat sapient animals. That's different. With vague limits, but different.

I have a message from another time...
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#7987: Oct 11th 2014 at 11:15:39 AM

But Soylent Green is so tasty!

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#7988: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:03:23 PM

Why do I feel like we've already had this discussion twice before?

At least, I know I've had a discussion on the difference between sentience and sapience before.

By the way, as to the earlier discussion on time travel, I feel like you were all wrong as to how it works here. In the DBZ universe, each trip back in time effectively creates a new branch universe. This was explained in Abridged Ep. 41.

edited 11th Oct '14 2:35:13 PM by wanderlustwarrior

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7989: Oct 11th 2014 at 2:36:46 PM

Bah, confused sapience and sentience. Goku and Yajirobe kill and eat sapient beings.

[up] How? That's what the discussion earlier was about as well.

edited 11th Oct '14 2:42:44 PM by Saiga

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#7990: Oct 11th 2014 at 3:46:28 PM

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what we were saying.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#7991: Oct 11th 2014 at 5:47:39 PM

There was some odd 1A, 2B talk or something?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#7992: Oct 11th 2014 at 6:26:01 PM

Yes. Those would be branching timelines/universes. Titling them like that makes them easier to visualize.

edited 11th Oct '14 6:27:17 PM by KnownUnknown

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#7993: Oct 12th 2014 at 12:32:42 AM

But doesn't that just result in timelines 1, 2, 3, 4, etc?

So I was rewatching the episode where 17 and 18 were activated, and I noticed that it contains strains of the Doctor Who Cybermen theme.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7994: Oct 12th 2014 at 12:52:10 AM

Yeah, but what are you getting at? That's what the episode describes as well, isn't it?

The timelines are the branched universes.

Also, I think there could be more than 4, as the existence of Daizenshuu 7's "History 4" that I (and many others) previously dismissed actually is a logical conclusion to come to.

edited 12th Oct '14 12:54:30 AM by Saiga

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#7995: Oct 12th 2014 at 6:05:20 AM

Yeah, that's what the episode describes, but describing them as 1A, 2A and such seems incorrect, because they're all completely different timelines.

Technically, Trunks was right about 19 and Gero being androids, as 17 and 18 are indeed cyborgs. 16 is an android, as well.

BaleFire Since: Dec, 2009
#7996: Oct 12th 2014 at 6:18:18 AM

Dr Gero is a cyborg. He's got a human brain, after all.

edited 12th Oct '14 6:18:38 AM by BaleFire

Dreamkeepers Prelude, check it out!
Ernie AKA Kaymarx from Memphis Since: Jan, 2001
AKA Kaymarx
#7997: Oct 12th 2014 at 7:27:46 AM

To crib off of Ghost in the Shell's terminology, he's a guy with a prosthetic body, not a complete android.

Should've checked the list.
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#7998: Oct 12th 2014 at 10:30:30 AM

The letters just helped with illustrating which version of the timeline was branching, because there's two versions of Trunks's Future and two versions of the timeline where everyone didn't die.

My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#7999: Oct 12th 2014 at 10:34:27 AM

[up](x6)

It's difficult visualizing how Trunks is creating a new timeline yet still accessing similar timelines. In addition, we didn't see every timeline Trunks visited, and ultimately Trunks wasn't aware of how his timeline changed.

Unreliable Time Traveler.

edited 12th Oct '14 10:34:42 AM by FOFD

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#8000: Oct 12th 2014 at 10:57:47 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Again, I label them like that because it makes them easier to visualize.

What I typicallly call Original A and B are actually universe 1 and 4, and Main A and B are 2 and 3. But titling them like that not only makes it easier to see what they are offshoots of, but how and by whom they were split off - because the show itself presents them that way: there are two versions of Trunks' future, one where Cell killed Trunks and one where Trunks killed Cell, and while they are the first and last of the timelines to be created (technically) the show presents them as mirrors. So thinking of them as mirrors works for trying to visualize them conceptually.

Likewise, the A and B still works in a general sense - Trunks is talking about the branching event that created the initial split between what I call the Main and Original sets, both of which are split/branched again when Cell travels back. Trunks is unaware of either of those, and in fact the last split doesn't happen until after he returns home (which is why it works to consider it a branch of the "Original" timeline and not a general timeline).

And as Saiga said, we did explain the timelines and how they worked in both the original series and abridged. What Trunks notes is basically what we said, but... well... abridged.

edited 12th Oct '14 5:34:57 PM by KnownUnknown


Total posts: 40,340
Top