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GavsEvans123 HAAAA! from the new ruins level (Plucky Ensign) Relationship Status: Snooping as usual
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#7901: Oct 1st 2014 at 8:20:07 AM

@ Enlong

There was a PSP game that had the Buu Saga happening in one of the Future Trunks timelines.

edited 1st Oct '14 8:22:02 AM by GavsEvans123

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#7902: Oct 1st 2014 at 8:25:35 AM

[up][up][up]Yeah, Toriyama released it in statements earlier this year. We talked about it for a little bit here.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#7903: Oct 1st 2014 at 8:28:44 AM

I feel it's useless trivia that amounts to nothing. Like getting the special on Goku's mom.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#7904: Oct 1st 2014 at 8:48:16 AM

[up][up][up]

Shin Budokai: Another Road.

Good premise, bad execution. Follows Future Trunks' dealing with Babidi and Dabura in his timeline, (this is the kind of What-If I'd want to see). But then it cops out like Injustice Gods Among Us did and he simply goes back in time to fetch Goku and Z Warriors A-through-Bardock to deal with the problem.

edited 1st Oct '14 8:57:28 AM by FOFD

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#7905: Oct 1st 2014 at 10:13:14 AM

Why did they sensor that one battleballer's head?

Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#7906: Oct 1st 2014 at 10:37:46 AM

By the way

someone said that Cells base powerlevel is equal to 16's

But thats not really true as Cell had trouble against a fused Picollo and only grew stronger afterwards by absorbing more humans

and I am pretty sure there are only 3 timelines the only question for me is: what made a 3rd timeline exist at all

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#7907: Oct 1st 2014 at 10:45:20 AM

[up][up]Because it looks like a penis tongue

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#7908: Oct 1st 2014 at 10:52:54 AM

In the original, he had a line on his head that made it resemble the drawn head of a penis. I remembered that, but I didn't expect that scene to make it in, especially with as many jokes as they made from it.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#7909: Oct 1st 2014 at 10:54:10 AM

By the end of the time travel shenanigans there four timelines, but there's just one we never get to see. Each was created when a character arrives in time (with Cell it helps to visualize him as "leaving/arriving" later event-wise), and it breaks down like this:

Created when Trunks arrives in the past:

  • Main A: Trunks arrives in the past, defeats Freeza, somehow helps defeat the androids, and never meets Cell so never goes through the events that make him powerful enough to defeat Cell's imperfect form. We never see this one, but we know it exists because the Trunks from Cell's timeline went there.
  • Original A: Trunks comes back from Main A with some way to defeat the androids, but is not powerful enough to defend himself from Cell. This is the timeline Cell comes from.

Created when Cell arrives in the past:

  • Main B: Trunks arrives in the past, defeat Freeza, helps fight Androids, Cell shows up, yadda yadda ascended Saiyan, SS 2, etc. This is our timeline.
  • Original B: Trunks returns from Main B having become much stronger, defeats Androids with ease, kills Cell with ease, smiles up at the afternoon sky, lives happily ever after until something even worse comes along. This is the timeline Trunks returns to at the end.

Note: there is no timeline where time travel doesn't happen in some way or another, so the original timeline where Trunks initially comes from (when he beats Freeza) arguably ceases to exist but more accurately splits in two (and then two again when Cell shows up).

More simply put, Trunks creates a timeline when he arrives in the past (Main A) and then returns to his time (Original A) with the experience he got from being in the past. Afterwards, Cell creates another timeline when he arrives in the past while Trunks is already there* (Main B) and because he interacts with Trunks, who later goes back to his own future, he also splits off the Original timeline (Original B).

(*) Though Cell goes back further than Trunks, Trunks was "already there" in the sense that he had already left and him arriving in the past was inevitable.

edited 1st Oct '14 11:06:12 AM by KnownUnknown

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#7910: Oct 1st 2014 at 11:44:40 AM

Still a bit lost.

If these are timelines that function as "separate realities" and not straight lines, then Trunks shouldn't be able to return three years later, nor should Cell be able to return to the exact same reality that a Trunks from his timeline originally went to. Should he?

Even if he went to an alternate reality, why would there be a Trunks there? In that reality, Trunks never came back, Cell did.

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#7911: Oct 1st 2014 at 1:04:19 PM

It's not so much an alternate reality as a separate branch. Dragon Ball uses the branching timelines model, wherein every time a traveler goes back, it creates a new timeline.

Trunks arrives because Trunks went back in time before Cell did. Cell can't prevent that event from occurring no matter what he changes, because he can only influence the new timeline that his actions create. He is powerless to change the other timeline, in which Trunks went back. So there will always be a Trunks arriving at the exact point in time that Trunks arrives. He can change the state of the world that Trunks arrives into by going back to an earlier point in time, but not the fact itself that Trunks arrives.

The only way to create a timeline in which Trunks never arrives would be to kill him before he ever departs the first time, and Cell never does that. The Trunks he killed is the Trunks that was about to go back in time to tell everyone he used the killswitch to beat the androids and save his timeline, which is a completely gratuitous time jump, but Trunks is a kid and everyone he respects is dead in his time.

edited 1st Oct '14 1:08:30 PM by TobiasDrake

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Dragon_Ranger Since: Jan, 2010
#7912: Oct 1st 2014 at 3:45:24 PM

I'm actually rather curious how powerful future Trunks is compared to the cast at the end of Z. Has there been any supplemental material about him other than that what-if?

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#7913: Oct 1st 2014 at 3:47:00 PM

I dunno but I know in his super buff form he could outpower Perfect Cell easily.

Even if he was too slow.

Oh really when?
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#7914: Oct 1st 2014 at 3:52:01 PM

He was only stronger than a suppressed Perfect Cell. Cell only ever went to 100% against SSJ 2 Gohan, for all the good it did him.

minespatch Since: Sep, 2009
#7915: Oct 1st 2014 at 6:56:57 PM

Can I have a link to the guy with the dickhead uncensored? I missed that.

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#7917: Oct 1st 2014 at 7:25:50 PM

Oh my.

edited 1st Oct '14 7:26:35 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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minespatch Since: Sep, 2009
#7918: Oct 1st 2014 at 7:48:46 PM

Holy crap did they improve that scene. [lol]

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7919: Oct 2nd 2014 at 3:07:08 AM

I'm actually rather curious how powerful future Trunks is compared to the cast at the end of Z. Has there been any supplemental material about him other than that what-if?

Well, what ifs are all we see of him post-Cell arc, and that just sticks Super Saiyan 2 or 3 on him, calling it a day. There's him appearing DBO but the non-PCs do jack all in that so he doesn't even turn Super Saiyan or fight seriously there.

All we have to go off is where he's at after the Cell Games and going back to the future: mastered the Super Saiyan form, stronger than Piccolo, weaker than the other Super Saiyans (though close to Vegeta). Then he spends his time beating up on people way weaker than him so we can't tell much of his strength from that.

Vegeta and Goku got stronger over time and Gohan was already way ahead even when he weakened, so his overall position probably didn't change very much. Might be stronger or weaker than his present self.

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#7920: Oct 2nd 2014 at 7:46:59 AM

I'm calling it; Krillin slips and calls 18 "Lazuli" by mistake. And it will be a Crowning Moment Of Heartwarming, at least for a little while.

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#7921: Oct 2nd 2014 at 9:28:36 AM

Have we had other characters extensively referred to by a different name from the one used in canon? There was Krillin calling Dende "Little Green", and Super Kami Guru trying to make Super Kami Guru a thing, but those still seemed limited. It'd be odd if everyone referred to 18 as Lazuli once that came out.

Also, that whole "turn them on" bit reminded me of the "doing your son" bit from Family Guy. One of my favorite bits.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#7922: Oct 2nd 2014 at 9:40:06 AM

there's Goku calling Freeza Freezer.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#7923: Oct 2nd 2014 at 4:45:58 PM

[up][up]That's the first thing I thought about when I heard that.

I like how they acknowledged how weird Tien's mouthyness toward Vegeta is and then justified it.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#7924: Oct 2nd 2014 at 5:10:28 PM

So a brief reminder of this upcoming (?) scene.

Cell is creepy as fuck.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#7925: Oct 2nd 2014 at 5:56:48 PM

[up] Oh my.

You know, Taka and Lani are pretty good at sounding like their characters, aren't they?

edited 2nd Oct '14 6:01:44 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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