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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#7876: Sep 30th 2014 at 6:07:59 PM

[up] Ah, I was wondering how Cell was able to kill Trunks that easily.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#7878: Sep 30th 2014 at 6:18:09 PM

And that Trunks wasn't the trunks that took out Freeza and Cold and all those guys with a sword, right?

DamascaRamza (Ancient one)
#7880: Sep 30th 2014 at 6:27:02 PM

The version of Trunks that Cell kills never went to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, so while he was strong enough to kill Freeza and King Cold, he didn't get much stronger then that, so he used the remote to deactivate the Androids permanently instead of being strong enough to kill them and Cell easily killed him.

theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
What a Wonderful World!
#7881: Sep 30th 2014 at 6:33:46 PM

Or because he never met 16 (if he wasn't destroyed in that timeline), Trunks while stronger than 17 and 18 is still weaker than 16 which is Cell's normal power level.

The Reaper Games starts anew.
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#7882: Sep 30th 2014 at 6:36:32 PM

@Hylian

Hear me out:

  • In the original timeline, Goku kills Frieza and Cold. Heart virus. Gero unleashes Androids, who presumably kill Super Saiyan Vegeta and the rest of the gang.
  • Trunks heads back in time to warn about Androids. He goes to a timeline where he arrives earlier than Frieza and Cold, bada-bing, bada-bah, he gets the Androids' schematics, goes back to his time.

However:

  • Had this occurred using Time Travel Version 2-A, Trunks would still probably end up giving Goku the heart medication, which would prevent Goku from biting it early, and he'd make the difference against the Androids, thus Trunks never becomes a battle-hardened warrior and Bulma doesn't build a time machine (unless its actual Time Travel Version 1). Can't happen.
    • Let's say Goku doesn't make a difference and he just lives longer, and Trunks still winds up going back in time, with altered knowledge of Goku surviving because of the heart medicine but still being killed by the Androids. With TT V.2, does Gohan still live to become Trunks's mentor?
    • Assuming he does, and is killed by the Androids, Trunks returns to his time with the schematics and shuts the Androids down. Cell kills him and travels back in time.

New timeline:

  • Due to Cell's appearance, the Z-Fighters trail Gero to the lab. When Krillin and Trunks come back, and Krillin blows up Past Cell, Cell can't have existed using Time Travel Version 2A, and thus he never killed Trunks because he was killed by Krillin, and thus the Cell/Android Saga doesn't happen.
  • The timeline reverts back to Trunks having the schematics, because Cell was killed/Gero's mountain was blown up before Trunks came back with the schematics.
  • Semi-happy timeline where Trunks saved the day... or rather, Krillin did.

Hence: if time travel worked the way [I'm used to it working], the Cell Saga would not have happened.

Since time travel in Z allows the traveler to return to their own universe despite changing the past/other universe, killing Cell did jack.

Krillin's little cheer, "I KILLED CELL" made me think about that - "Wait, why didn't that fix things, oh right, time travel doesn't work like that in Dragon Ball. Sorry Krillin, any one could have done that."

edited 30th Sep '14 6:51:33 PM by FOFD

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#7883: Sep 30th 2014 at 6:50:51 PM

It stopped them from having to deal with a second Cell. Which is pretty important.

What's precedent ever done for us?
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#7884: Sep 30th 2014 at 6:52:00 PM

Simply put, Cell is from a timeline where that Trunks never met Cell when he went back to the past. Somewhere in the multiverse there's a timeline where Trunks came back and helped stop the Androids, but Cell himself never came back in time - we never meet anyone from that timeline, but the Trunks that Cell killed visited it.

Basically, there was the original timeline (Trunks'), which was split in two twice - once by Trunks going back, twice by Cell going back.

edited 30th Sep '14 6:56:12 PM by KnownUnknown

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#7885: Sep 30th 2014 at 6:54:51 PM

I guess.

But then, earthquakes, a misfired Final Flash prototype, an EMP, or general powering-up could have done that.

Hell, fault wiring could've done that.

edited 30th Sep '14 7:36:30 PM by FOFD

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#7886: Sep 30th 2014 at 7:06:21 PM

Time travel in DBZ is confusing.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#7887: Sep 30th 2014 at 7:22:23 PM

It's got nothing on Chrono Cross.

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#7888: Sep 30th 2014 at 7:27:15 PM

Nah, time travel in DBZ is one of the few times where it doesn't raise questions.

3 timelines: A, B and C. Cell is from timeline C, where he killed that timeline's Trunks. He then used that Trunk's time machine to go to timeline B, which is the main timeline. That timeline's Cell got killed as an embryo by Krillin. The Trunks we know and love is from timeline A, and kills timeline A's Cell at the end of the arc.

Not too complicated. Timeline C's Trunks is likely only about as strong as the Timeline A Trunks that killed King Cold and Frieza. If he [Timeline C Trunks] had gone through the Room of Space and Time/Hyperbolic Time Chamber training, there's no way in HFIL Imperfect Cell would be able to best him.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7889: Sep 30th 2014 at 7:33:29 PM

As we see at the end of the arc when Trunks goes back and absolutely manhandles him.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#7890: Sep 30th 2014 at 7:36:06 PM

I can understand Chrono Cross.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#7891: Sep 30th 2014 at 7:41:31 PM

Wait, aren't there 4 timelines?

One where the Androids killed everyone and Trunks came back with the schematics, only to be killed by Cell. We never see what becomes of this.

One timeline where Trunks intervened and went back with the schematics. Presumably, Cell would've gone back here, but instead:

He went to another timeline, arriving sometime before Trunks showed up. But time travel works on parallel lines here, so he can't have come back to the exact same timeline, just before Trunks arrived. Yet Trunks shows up here anyway, three years after giving the Z-Fighters a warning...

waii

There's an extra Trunks here, and if Trunks would have left with the schematics, then what about Cell's appearance would have made him just give Goku the heart medicine and leave, only to somehow return 3 years later?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7892: Sep 30th 2014 at 7:48:10 PM

Yes, four timelines. We don't actually know that the first Trunks got the schematics (that makes less sense since Cell caused the discovery of them) though.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#7893: Sep 30th 2014 at 7:58:21 PM

Yeah, what Krillin did here was basically ensure that the main timeline never has to deal with its "native" version of Cell.

True, by the time that Cell developed and woke up, he'd have been so horrifically outclassed that it wouldn't have been funny, but Cell's still perfectly capable of horrifically killing a city before being discovered, so it's for the best to deal with him now.

By the way, what's up with none of the Future Trunks timelines having Babadi showing up during the intervening years?

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minespatch Since: Sep, 2009
#7894: Sep 30th 2014 at 8:13:11 PM

Lot of Beep jokes in DBZ abridged. |D

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#7895: Sep 30th 2014 at 8:13:55 PM

Beeps are always funny.

Oh really when?
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#7896: Sep 30th 2014 at 8:41:11 PM

Except when they end with horrible slaughter....

Then they are hilarious.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7897: Oct 1st 2014 at 1:04:27 AM

[up][up][up][up] They avoided Earth in the past because of the low levels of energy available. Trunks' future wouldn't have the energy needed to revive Boo (and this is said in guidebooks as well).

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#7898: Oct 1st 2014 at 8:15:29 AM

And given how thoroughly the Super Saiyans outclass Frieza, the Strongest Warrior in the Universe, who is himself entire orders of magnitude above the rest of the uniquely, ridiculously, incomprehensibly strong-by-comparison mutants, and yet a complete drain of Super Saiyan Gohan's power was only sufficient to put Buu's revival at 50%, there's a good chance that without the post-Cell Super Saiyans to provide godlike levels of power, Babidi's going to spend the rest of his life searching in vain for levels of energy he will never, ever find.

He'd be better off doing it the way Base Cell and Goku's Spirit Bomb did it, pulling tiny amounts of power from huge numbers of people.

edited 1st Oct '14 8:18:15 AM by TobiasDrake

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Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#7899: Oct 1st 2014 at 8:15:38 AM

So did TFS make up the names (and incase of Nr.16 the backstory) for the Androids or are they canon which I somehow must have missed until now?

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#7900: Oct 1st 2014 at 8:19:36 AM

Toriyama released the info awhile back.


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