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KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#7651: Sep 4th 2014 at 7:34:56 AM

[up]Because he and everyone there thought he would get in the way. And then when he left they all acted like it was strange that Krillin was still there.

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#7652: Sep 4th 2014 at 7:42:35 AM

He's also a moderately sized part of why Cell absorbs Android 18. The major part is Vegeta's pride, desire for a fight and stopping Trunks from killing Cell now while he can, but Krillin also destroys the device that could shut her down out of some attraction that was barely hinted at.

Krillin is a Roshi-in-Training for much of his character history. He bribes Roshi into training him with a porn mag, and openly confesses that his entire reason for practicing martial arts is that he wants to impress women. He also laments his lack of success with women on several occasions; that Krillin is lonely and desperate is a recurring character trait.

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#7653: Sep 4th 2014 at 10:17:23 AM

[up][up][up]He probably thought they'd be fine, and I understand him anyway. There's only so much you can put up with your "friends" giving you shit.

I feel like Tien has too much attitude for someone who never does anything. I guess they'll do something with his one moment to shine. Also, did they say where Chaotzu was this arc? Has he been around at all?

edited 4th Sep '14 10:18:40 AM by wanderlustwarrior

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#7654: Sep 4th 2014 at 10:19:25 AM

In the manga, Goku and Vegeta make a point when Trunks first delivers the warning that anyone who isn't confident in their ability to fight the Androids should not come to the fight and get slaughtered. That Yamcha, Tien, and Krillin were even there in the first place is a show of overconfidence in their ability to compete with an enemy that could kill post-Namek Vegeta and Piccolo; that Yamcha realized this and bowed out of the fight was a good call on his part.

At this point in the story, the humans have lost all combat relevancy but are still desperately trying to pretend they can still play ball in the aliens' court. Note that this is also the reason why Chiaotzu isn't even there for that fight; he and Tien recognized that he'd be useless against the Androids and he took the Saiyans up on their suggestion of staying home.

edited 4th Sep '14 10:23:35 AM by TobiasDrake

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#7655: Sep 4th 2014 at 12:17:55 PM

[up]Tien's Vegeta snark is hilarious. Playing him as a Butt-Monkey would be redundant as Krillin and even more Yamcha already serve that purpose. Chiaoutzous not around anymore so the jokes about their Ho Yay won't work. All that's left is his Vegeta hatred. Plus, he gets a lot of respect for holding back Cell.

edited 4th Sep '14 12:19:31 PM by 940131

Dragon_Ranger Since: Jan, 2010
#7656: Sep 4th 2014 at 12:47:26 PM

There's also the fact there's not much to his character to begin with in the source material. He's relatively powerful in his own right but never really does anything after he dies against Nappa. He also lacks any real quirks to work off of.

KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#7658: Sep 4th 2014 at 12:58:32 PM

Yeah, count me among those who find Tien's character a little annoying. I get what they're doing with Krillin and Yamcha and it can be funny, but it shouldn't be coming from someone who is basically in the same position as them.

The joke with Krillin's power being so low as to be unnoticeable to Trunks works because Trunks is so far above Krillin. As has been said, Chiaotzu is basically never around anymore because he can't do anything, Krillin and Yamcha have more or less accepted their roles, but Tien continues to act as if he's on par with the actually important characters and the show acts like it too, what with having Gero choosing to fight Krillin over Tien even though functionally it shouldn't have mattered to him.

Edit: And on that note, when did Krillin surpass Tien? Tien has always been stronger than Yamcha, and at the beginning of Z proper, the scouter shows Tien is still marginally ahead of Krillin too. When did that change and stick?

edited 4th Sep '14 1:07:26 PM by KBSL

940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#7659: Sep 4th 2014 at 12:59:12 PM

[up][up]He actually has a lot in common with Piccolo. Stoic, silent, loners, asexual, serious, big guys, who were arch enemies of Goku, continue to work hard even after they accept that they can't keep up with the Saiyans and have a Papa Wolf relationship with a smaller and younger member of their group.

edited 4th Sep '14 1:01:15 PM by 940131

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#7660: Sep 4th 2014 at 1:02:10 PM

I like Tien's character. He's just boring because he has no quirk to play with.

KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#7661: Sep 4th 2014 at 1:06:27 PM

As they said in Dragon Ball Kai Abridged, his lack of a quirk is supposed to be his quirk. Things like that tend to be hit or miss.

940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#7662: Sep 4th 2014 at 1:17:15 PM

I can see that. I really like the Vegeta snark though.

As for Tien being played as if he's on terms with the Saiyans and Piccolo... I don't think they've done that. They just haven't played him up as a Butt-Monkey. Whether it's fair or not, Krillin and Yamcha are remembered for being Butt Monkeys while Tien was played seriously even when he was out of his league. Yamcha and Krillin in the show and books would make jokes about how weak they were compared to the Saiyans. Tien didn't. When the time comes, Nappa kicks him around and he's called the North side of useless like the rest of them.

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#7663: Sep 4th 2014 at 1:25:45 PM

I think Tien doesn't get the same reputation because fans remember that time he stomped a mudhole on Cell's ass.

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940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#7664: Sep 4th 2014 at 1:30:16 PM

Technically, all he did was hold him down, but I'm pretty sure that's why he gets more respect too.

KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#7665: Sep 4th 2014 at 1:31:53 PM

That was a good moment, put he didn't actually do any damage and it was all for not because of Krillin. I guess when you know it won't make a difference it's the thought that counts.

edited 4th Sep '14 6:04:52 PM by KBSL

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#7666: Sep 4th 2014 at 1:34:08 PM

Krillin surpassed Tien thanks to Guru's unlocking, most likely.

I was sorta wondering about the exchange between Gero and Tien, but I assume Tien was just bluffing.

edited 4th Sep '14 1:34:41 PM by Anomalocaris20

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940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#7667: Sep 4th 2014 at 1:38:57 PM

I'm not sure that Krillin surpassed Tien there, but if he did I'm pretty sure Tien made up the difference somewhere in the 17 years that he was training and Krillin wasn't.

How strong is Dr. Gero anyways? I mean. Those Androids ran right through Yamcha, but that was Yamcha. Was he Gohan level? Killin level? Or somewhere in between?

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#7668: Sep 4th 2014 at 1:40:58 PM

Gero and 19 couldn't have been too much stronger than Frieza, if not somewhat weaker. Vegeta destroyed 19 pretty effortlessly, but then Goku and Trunks also destroyed Frieza pretty effortlessly themselves.

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940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#7669: Sep 4th 2014 at 1:44:58 PM

[up]I don't even think they were as strong as Frieza. They were clueless about what a Super Saiyan was and stopped following Goku in the Saiyan Saga. As such, they were significantly stronger than Goku and Vegeta during that Arc, but not necessarily near the Upper End of the Frieza Saga. If I were to guess, I'd say they were somewhere between Ginyu and first form Frieza.

KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#7670: Sep 4th 2014 at 1:51:19 PM

I got the impression that Gero and 19 were stronger than all of them except Goku, Piccolo, and Vegeta.

940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#7671: Sep 4th 2014 at 2:28:08 PM

[up]What about Gohan and Trunks?

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#7672: Sep 4th 2014 at 2:37:10 PM

looking baxk,would King Piccolo's minions fit any of the criteria Piccolo judges movie minions with? tongue

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#7674: Sep 4th 2014 at 2:48:39 PM

As a legitimate curiosity, is Tien (well, Dragonball in general, but Tien is imo the most memorable example - that and the Mafuba) one of the things that popularized Cast from Hit Points in anime/manga in general?

What I'm thinking about in particular is the idea that there are attacks which use ki (which wipe you out if you strain yourself too much), but there are also attacks which dip into your life/health itself and can kill you if overused, but which are powerful far beyond your limits. I remember seeing this a few times in Yu Yu Hakusho, in a way which was definitely inspired by DBZ (like quite a bit of that show).

edited 4th Sep '14 2:59:38 PM by KnownUnknown

KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#7675: Sep 4th 2014 at 3:03:37 PM

I wasn't counting Trunks because he wasn't their and I forgot about Gohan. I'd say they were probably stronger than Gohan, though.

edited 4th Sep '14 6:05:30 PM by KBSL


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