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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#7351: Aug 23rd 2014 at 4:47:51 PM

I'd love it if during the Cell games, they somehow photoshop one of the Cell Jr.s as Saibaman-ing Yamcha while they're wreaking havoc, even though they didn't do that initially.

edited 23rd Aug '14 5:02:36 PM by KnownUnknown

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#7352: Aug 23rd 2014 at 4:59:14 PM

Well, they did explode when Gohan attacked them. Shouldn't be a difficult edit.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#7353: Aug 23rd 2014 at 5:02:47 PM

Also, it's really interesting how different their approach to writing Krillin as become. Like when he sneaks up on Trunks in this episode, during the Freeza saga it would've been the perfect set-up for a "your power level is so small that I didn't even acknowledge you," gag, but instead they went with Krillin calling it "stealth mode" without any mockery.

Then again, Yamcha is around more often now.

edited 23rd Aug '14 5:03:10 PM by KnownUnknown

KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#7354: Aug 23rd 2014 at 5:23:11 PM

[up]Um, the joke was that Krillin's power was too small to sense. Krillin just decided to brush it off as something else. He did the same thing on Namek.

Or that's how it came off to me, at least.

edited 23rd Aug '14 5:24:23 PM by KBSL

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#7355: Aug 23rd 2014 at 5:28:12 PM

Yeah I thought it was a callback to that as well.

KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#7356: Aug 23rd 2014 at 5:35:03 PM

Though, they do write Krillin differently when Yamcha's around. They flat out said the reason they made fun of Krillin so much is because Yamcha isn't around as much as he is, and when Yamcha is around he takes precedence in being the series wiping boy, and when he leaves it goes back to being Krillin.

They've even lampshaded both of those points in series.

edited 23rd Aug '14 5:35:21 PM by KBSL

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#7357: Aug 23rd 2014 at 5:37:34 PM

^^^ I feel like if that was the punchline, it would have come off more as the punchline. If it was a joke, Krillin's response being the final word and how confident he was when giving it neutered it completely.

KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#7358: Aug 23rd 2014 at 5:41:49 PM

[up]He wasn't confident though, the tone and him saying he "affectionately" calls it stealth-mode implies that it's not something good, but that he would rather pretend it was. Also the drop of sweat.

edited 23rd Aug '14 5:42:22 PM by KBSL

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#7359: Aug 23rd 2014 at 6:25:13 PM

It's his tone that strikes me as confident. Generally, if a line is supposed to be self depricating in Team Four Star's work, the character's tone will let you know (Krillin's "aww" or whining tone of voice, for instance, was everywhere in the Freeza saga). In contrast, when delivering the line Krillin is chipper and self-assured. He doesn't even hesitate (or say it too quickly).

The word affectionate may or may not be used to cover up something negative, the idea that it's not in this context seems like an assumption. That's why seeing it as a mocking joke (I heard is as less mocking and more kind of development on Krillin's part) doesn't quite jel with me - it requires reading the line with the assumption already in mind that it's a joke about a certain thing rather than the joke itself letting you know it's supposed to be humorous in that way, and Team Four Star's humor generally doesn't work that way.

I could see the exchange being a call back to those jokes in the earlier seasons, but not it being a joke of the same kind.

edited 23rd Aug '14 6:30:05 PM by KnownUnknown

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#7360: Aug 23rd 2014 at 6:31:53 PM

I don't really know what to say man, other than I still think it's a joke a Krillin's expense, just that at this point, both he and Yamcha have gotten use to that being their position in the group.

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#7361: Aug 23rd 2014 at 6:47:43 PM

It's a jab at Krillin's expense but one he's accustomed to. "Ha ha, Krillin's power level is puny," has been a joke that's been made a few times throughout the series, often comparing him to Gohan, and by now he's just learned to roll with it.

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#7362: Aug 23rd 2014 at 7:13:55 PM

Eh, I disagree.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7363: Aug 23rd 2014 at 7:29:32 PM

Probably easier to just ask Kaiser what the intent was. If I get a response I'll link to it.

JetWave Since: Jan, 2013
#7364: Aug 24th 2014 at 11:10:45 AM

It's probably a set-up for a joke in a later episode.

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#7365: Aug 24th 2014 at 12:05:34 PM

Youtube link.

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#7366: Aug 24th 2014 at 2:06:34 PM

This episode had a something that bothered me in the source material as well. Cell didn't seem to know that Piccolo (or all Namekians) could regenerate or that he could as well, but that doesn't make sense.

If the spy fly followed Goku's original fight against Piccolo and Goku and Piccolo against Raditz it should have witnessed that and gave that information to Gero and Cell.

It only seem likes that ignorance is there to explain why Cell would bother giving his life story to Piccolo instead of just finishing him off before he could regenerate.

Is this a plot hole or does anyone have a workable explanation?

edited 24th Aug '14 2:51:56 PM by KBSL

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#7367: Aug 24th 2014 at 2:46:22 PM

[up]It's a plot hole. It's probably supposed to give Piccolo a Nice Job Breaking It, Hero! moment, but yeah, it's a plot hole.

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#7368: Aug 24th 2014 at 2:58:27 PM

I figure he just forgot he could do that. He hasn't actually needed to use his regeneration yet, has he?

but HOW?
GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#7369: Aug 24th 2014 at 3:07:55 PM

I'm rewatching this and I'm getting Beetlejuice vibes from Cell.

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#7370: Aug 24th 2014 at 3:38:04 PM

I'm reasonably sure the spydrone wasn't there for the Raditz fight. It was there for the Vegeta and Nappa battle, which was far more publicized after Nappa blew up an entire city. There were news choppers and everything. Nappa blew up one of the news choppers a cargo robotHEY! .

edited 24th Aug '14 3:39:04 PM by TobiasDrake

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#7371: Aug 24th 2014 at 6:17:39 PM

I DID NOT.

NEED TO SEE.

FLY SEX.

Though I'm curious as to what the flashback with Trunks and Cell was. Did he kill the Trunks of an alternate timeline and get here first?

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#7372: Aug 24th 2014 at 6:19:47 PM

Precisely that, yes. (Didn't read the manga or see the anime, I take it?)

but HOW?
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#7373: Aug 24th 2014 at 6:21:23 PM

Oh, I saw the anime. I was a big fan. I just haven't watched it in years and didn't watch Kai past Freiza so I only remember the big important fights, not everything in between.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#7374: Aug 24th 2014 at 6:24:40 PM

Basically Trunks somehow kills the Androids (don't recall if it's strength or using the off button), then Cell kills him when he's about to travel back in time to let Goku and friends know.

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#7375: Aug 24th 2014 at 6:34:44 PM

It was the off button. If that Trunks had actually been able to overpower 17 and 18, he likely would've been able to thrash Cell too.

but HOW?

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