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KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#7301: Aug 22nd 2014 at 6:39:59 PM

[up]I've been waiting to say that to someone because most people haven't even heard that term.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7302: Aug 22nd 2014 at 6:41:14 PM

[up][up] And also still an Android, because that is not exclusive to males.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#7303: Aug 22nd 2014 at 6:44:03 PM

Look up "andro"

and "androgynous", for extra fun.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7304: Aug 22nd 2014 at 6:44:32 PM

I already know what it means. That doesn't change that Android is used universally.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#7305: Aug 22nd 2014 at 6:45:42 PM

And incorrectly.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7306: Aug 22nd 2014 at 6:47:41 PM

Just because it's not 100% literal doesn't mean it's incorrect, like how "man" can be used for humankind.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#7307: Aug 22nd 2014 at 6:48:40 PM

Why bother with definitions when you don't care about them, then?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7308: Aug 22nd 2014 at 6:51:43 PM

Not being absolutely strict is not the same as not caring for definitions.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#7309: Aug 22nd 2014 at 6:52:32 PM

Hm... this is beginning to remind me of discussions about "decimate" in about 3 different ways.

The most prominent of those being that I shouldn't be doing this.

I will say I'm amused by things like Star Wars's astromech 'droids, which don't even look human, let alone male. But what do I know about long-away galaxy slang?

edited 22nd Aug '14 6:53:23 PM by Enlong

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#7310: Aug 22nd 2014 at 6:54:54 PM

To be fully pedantic, "android" means "similar to but not quite a man". Andro- is a prefix meaning masculine or male as applied to the human species, while -oid is a suffix meaning "similar to but not quite the same" (metalloids, meteoroids, insectoid, ect).

So Piccolo is technically an android since he resembles a human male but is neither. Being a robot is not a prerequisite for being an android.

Colloquially, it's used to refer to robots and other such artificial life that resembles a human, though many people do point out that a female-based android should properly be called a gynoid. Or both should be called anthroids.

So in a sense, it is technically incorrect to call 17, 18, and arguably 20 androids since they are in fact humans (16 and 19 are androids though), but that is their given name and is clearly using the colloquial sense of the word "android".

Oh, and regarding the word "man" being used to apply to homo sapiens as a whole, that's actually because it was originally a gender-neutral term for the human species. "Man" didn't come to mean human male until later.

edited 22nd Aug '14 6:58:14 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#7311: Aug 22nd 2014 at 6:57:34 PM

I'll say that I mostly only can recall DBZ as an exmple of "Android" and "Cyborg" being conflated. "Android" and "Robot", sure, but most things use "cyborg" if they have cyborgs.

[up] Yeah, it originally would refer to a lot of not-quite-men, whether that be undead, golems, or automotons. That last one stuck particularly well, it seems.

edit: Hm... given names. Did Gero ever call 'em androids in DBZA? I can only recall a few of his lines, but just of him yelling at 19 (and only saying "19!", with no titles).

Cell seems to imply that, within the Gero "family", they're named "cyborg [Number]"

edited 22nd Aug '14 7:01:07 PM by Enlong

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#7312: Aug 22nd 2014 at 8:29:16 PM

when so many people know how to use it, and before Dragon Ball Z actually did use it fairly often.

Did you mean "before Dragon Ball as a series" or "before the Z-era, when Goku was still a child"? Because only Roshi and Krillin knew the Kamehameha then, IIRC.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#7313: Aug 22nd 2014 at 8:35:51 PM

Prior to Dragon Ball, only Roshi knew how to do it. During Dragon Ball, the list became Roshi, Goku, Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien. Not sure about Chiaotzu. During Z, the Buus and one of the Shenrons could do it too.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7314: Aug 22nd 2014 at 8:42:23 PM

[up][up][up] The joke is likely going to be that Trunks messed it up.

Grandpa could also do it pre-Dragon Ball. Z also added Cell, Cell Jr, Gohan and Goten. There were also no fighting Shenrons in Z, if you mean GT then that adds Pan and Oob as well as the one Shenron who absorbed Pan.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#7315: Aug 22nd 2014 at 8:44:59 PM

Wow, I forgot about Gohan and Goten. And Cell.

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#7316: Aug 22nd 2014 at 8:47:19 PM

[up][up]I think you're forgetting that Trunks said Cyborgs at first, but Goku insisted on Androids and everyone just ended up going along with him.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7317: Aug 22nd 2014 at 8:50:31 PM

Oops, that's right. So Goku's mistake instead of Trunks.

For some reason I instantly thought Trunks, probably because the Frieza / Freeza thing was attributed to him (despite Frieza being perfectly valid).

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#7318: Aug 22nd 2014 at 10:08:50 PM

I figure, whether Abridged or not, Gero refers to 17 and 18 as androids just for consistency's sake. They're formally named "Android 17" and "Android 18" even though they're cyborgs.

So does Gero count as a cyborg? He's a human brain in a robot body, after all, so even if it is a bit disproportionately skewed toward machine he still has organic parts.

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#7319: Aug 22nd 2014 at 10:27:02 PM

Yeah, that's cyborg. Now, 19 is an android, since he's straight-up robot. 16, as well.

Not sure about 8.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#7320: Aug 22nd 2014 at 10:42:01 PM

And while we're at it, 13-15 are pure machine it seems too.

Though 13 is remarkably human-like even compared to 16.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7321: Aug 22nd 2014 at 10:47:36 PM

If you want to take guidebooks into account, 8 is fully mechanical and 17 was the first cyborg.

edited 22nd Aug '14 10:47:43 PM by Saiga

KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#7322: Aug 22nd 2014 at 10:49:20 PM

[up][up][up][up]A cyborg is just a human with robotic components, and Gero fits that definition, especially since it's his brain running the entire body.

edited 22nd Aug '14 10:58:58 PM by KBSL

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#7323: Aug 22nd 2014 at 11:03:31 PM

It's very likely he was. He admits to being weaker than both Androids, but Goku also says there is no way he can beat Cell, and Vegeta wasn't that much stronger than Goku at this point.

But doesn't Goku say that after Cell has already eaten a bunch of cities to bolster his power? And isn't the reason Cell ate those cities in the first place because he wasn't strong enough to take the androids when he first arrived?

Just double checked, and yeah - according to Cell himself right after escaping Piccolo at Ginger Town that at that point he hadn't "surpassed" 17 and 18 yet. Though when he hides from Vegeta he doesn't actually say anything about Vegeta's power in relation to his own - so I'm mistaken there - just that Vegeta is more powerful than he was expecting and he couldn't afford a fight at the moment.

Though, yeah. Team Four Star can easily ignore that if they want to - and they seem to be doing so - so in the end whatevs.

edited 22nd Aug '14 11:12:06 PM by KnownUnknown

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#7324: Aug 22nd 2014 at 11:11:16 PM

[up][up]I was just wondering if there was some sort of ratio of mechanical to organic parts where it ceased to be a cyborg.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#7325: Aug 22nd 2014 at 11:18:19 PM

[up][up] Yes, but nobody had known how strong Cell was becoming, as Piccolo said, since they only sensed his ki momentarily during feedings. So Goku could only compare himself to the initial Cell.


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