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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#6151: Mar 12th 2014 at 9:47:05 AM

And what's more, a lot of the most useable Popo scenes are anime-only.

Like this one.

edited 12th Mar '14 9:48:14 AM by KnownUnknown

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#6152: Mar 12th 2014 at 9:57:20 AM

[up][up][up] they're not mutually exclusive. He can be both weak AND have shitty technique. Popo also quite clearly out speeds him.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#6153: Mar 12th 2014 at 2:53:20 PM

Vegeta, what does the scouter say about Mr. Popo's power level?

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#6154: Mar 12th 2014 at 3:05:38 PM

"I don't use scouters anymore!"

I have a message from another time...
Kurgy Since: Feb, 2013
#6155: Mar 12th 2014 at 3:25:56 PM

As said deveral times before: "Power Levels are bullshit!"

Or atleast trying to give them tangible measurements.

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#6156: Mar 12th 2014 at 4:39:08 PM

Not really. Though, a certain set of other numbers Toriyama gives... are.

Fun fact: even though Vegeta doesn't use scouters anymore, he keeps using the term "battle power" (same thing as power level, just translated differently). He even uses the phrase "battle power number" at one point to refer to Fat Buu's (initial) strength, so apparently he keeps measuring things in numbers. Somehow.

edited 12th Mar '14 4:48:45 PM by sockpuppet1

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#6157: Mar 12th 2014 at 5:33:05 PM

@Moth I'm not talking about abridged. I know that Popo is stronger than kid Goku in Abridged, with the nightmares and everything.

@sock Popo explains that's because Goku doesn't feel his presence.

edited 12th Mar '14 5:35:03 PM by Saiga

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#6158: Mar 12th 2014 at 7:22:20 PM

Except Goku called Popo "super duper strong" then outright said he was stronger than King Piccolo, and therefore himself.

Chapter: 164, P3.4

Goku: “Amazin’! I’ve never met anyone strong as him before!”

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6159: Mar 12th 2014 at 7:52:32 PM

Yeah, because he fighting circles around Goku.

It's not like Goku had a scouter with him at the time, y'know.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#6160: Mar 12th 2014 at 8:04:02 PM

It was also explicitly pointed out he hadn't mastered ki sensing yet.

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#6161: Mar 12th 2014 at 8:42:03 PM

He could still compare powers and know who is stronger than who, he just couldn't use ki sensing to help track movements. Otherwise, what would even be the point of these lines? Or the majority of the stuff Goku and Popo say? AT just trying to fuck with us?

edited 12th Mar '14 9:17:58 PM by sockpuppet1

Kurgy Since: Feb, 2013
#6162: Mar 12th 2014 at 10:38:38 PM

How much of Dragon Ball makes sense in general?

Not much.

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#6165: Mar 12th 2014 at 10:59:35 PM

They do seem to make up new rules here and there, like suddenly introducing a second fusion mechanic, Vegito being magically immune to the Chocolate Beam's insapience effect, Saiyans' tails being rather inconsistent in whether they grow back or not, changes to the rules of the wishes, ect.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#6166: Mar 13th 2014 at 12:28:11 AM

What would be the point of Popo saying strength isn't everything / isn't enough if in fact it's strength that Goku lacks? Even though Goku can lack both strength and technique, Popo implies that it's not power it lacks.

There are a few instances were multiple lines and statements seem to carry different meanings about the same thing.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#6167: Mar 13th 2014 at 1:25:34 AM

[up]x5: The way the timelimes got split and stuff seemed to make more sense than you'd expect.

Saya1 Werefox from Multiverse Since: Oct, 2011
Werefox
#6168: Mar 13th 2014 at 1:38:40 AM

[up][up]Do you have do doubt or say something is not true just because it was not stated 100%. You do stuff like this a lot.

You look happy, I can change that if you want.
MikeBreezy92 Storm King Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
Storm King
#6169: Mar 13th 2014 at 6:59:32 AM

[up]HUSH you do realize you're talking to the DBZ pope....

youtube.com/Fire Trainer 92
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#6170: Mar 13th 2014 at 7:08:42 AM

[up][up] What's your point? I'm not doubting it for the sake of it or because it wasn't fully stated. I doubt it because of several lines that give a different impression and because I formed my own opinion on the matter. What's the problem?

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6171: Mar 13th 2014 at 7:28:55 AM

Although I agree with you on this specific issue, the problem is that you have a habit of stating those opinions of yours authoritatively and strongly, and then arguing every one else around into submission. And then those of us aren't as familiar with the series end up thinking it's actually stated canon rather than just your opinion.

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#6172: Mar 13th 2014 at 8:05:56 AM

Because strength is just one thing he lacks, and if he had these other things, then even with inferior strength he wouldn't be getting stomped anywhere near this badly.

No. Popo says Goku has a lot of power he doesn't properly use. This is true. He also says that he's weak and disappointing. This is also true.

No need to try to come up with another theory. Popo having more strength is stated quite clearly and inarguably right there in the manga, and never contradicted.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#6173: Mar 13th 2014 at 9:06:31 AM

Redacted.

edited 13th Mar '14 9:26:04 AM by Moth13

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#6174: Mar 13th 2014 at 10:02:52 AM

This is why I get annoyed with Dragon Ball.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#6175: Mar 13th 2014 at 5:11:53 PM

[up][up][up][up] Well, I did say that I just didn't personally believe that to be the case, not that it's canon fact. And for me I'm not trying to prove my interpretation is correct but that there's more than one way of looking at it.

[up][up][up] Being weak and having a lot of power are two incredibly contradictory things if you think they're both talking about the same strength.


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