Continuity errors like what?
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Like Gotenks not having Super Saiyan 3, Mr. Satan not knowing who Dende is, the Dragon Balls only granting 1 wish (in the Buu arc, Dende modified them to grant 3), Bulma being 38 when she should be in her late 40s, Gohan turning Super Saiyan, Gohan not even being Ultimate and just being sloppily recolored at the last second at the expense of the plot's logic, etc.
These are just continuity issues; the film also has a lot of straight-up plot holes.
edited 17th Feb '14 6:01:10 PM by sockpuppet1
I should point out that Toriyama designing SSJ God, Beers, and Whis doesn't mean much. He also designed Androids 13-15, GT-era characters, and other designs used in supplemental materials, and none of those are considered "canon" just because Toriyama designed the characters.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!They were referenced in the manga as failed projects. Movie 7 had them be completed by Gero's computer.
I like to assume that Movie 7 is a universe where 16 was never released and Cell was taken out by Kamiccolo, who proceeded to kill 17 after a close battle. Then the three Super Saiyans rushed in to back up Kamiccolo and took out 18. Then Bulma finished her android-destroying remote, and gave it to Trunks. Movie 7 happens right after, then Trunks goes back to his timeline and uses the remote to deactivate his androids, then Cell kills him and stills his time machine. That Cell then travels out the main timeline and becomes the Cell we all know and love.
edited 17th Feb '14 1:09:59 PM by sockpuppet1
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Well, the events of the movie aren't necessarily considered within continuity just because Toriyama designed the antagonists, I mean. That was admittedly a poor choice of example due to the nature of said androids.
Fun fact: Toriyama is the one who designed GT Vegeta with his ugly hairdo and moustache.
edited 17th Feb '14 5:49:05 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!The movies are not canon. Just don't think too much of them.
The only movies that are canon are the Bardock one (via Canon Immigrant) and the last two ones (Because Toriyama wrote them, and really don't contradict with the established canon besides two minor details).
edited 17th Feb '14 5:56:29 PM by Tomodachi
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.Toriyama didn't write the last two ones (which is the second that you're even talking about?) just Battle of Gods. And there is no official canon for Dragon Ball.
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We've been over that. The fact that Toriyama helped write the last one movie doesn't necessarily make it "canon", for lack of a better term.
As far as I know he did not write or have any involvement in Wrath of the Dragon.
edited 17th Feb '14 5:56:13 PM by Anomalocaris20
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Wrong, wrong, and wrong. There's no such thing as a DB canon, so something can't "not" be canon, the Bardock special was recently knocked right out of continuity by Toriyama contradicting it with his Jaco manga, and Toriyama never wrote any of the movies. The latest movie, BOG, also can't be fit into the continuity due to many issues.
None. Toriyama didn't write any of the movies. He's had varying levels of involvement in all of them, with his involvement in BOG probably being the most significant, but he didn't write it. He wrote an original draft, which was heavily modified by Watanbe, the actual credited writer of this movie.
edited 17th Feb '14 5:58:07 PM by sockpuppet1
These are just continuity issues; the film also has a lot of straight-up plot holes.
That's way more issues than pretty much every other movie, except 2, 3, maybe 4, maybe 11, and 12.
Movies 1, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, and 13 all have less issues than movie 14 (BOG). Movie 7 doesn't fit in the main continuity, but has a nice place to fit in the actual canon story, in an alternate timeline, where it works fine.
edited 17th Feb '14 6:00:56 PM by sockpuppet1
Is 13 the only one that could reasonably fit into plothole-free continuity with the original manga, taking place after the series and not directly contradicting the "5 years later" ending? Everything else seems to have SOME issue.
The Bojack movie seems like it could fit, but King Kai is dead during it, which doesn't fit, so...
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Wait... how was the Bardock special "knocked out of canon" by Jaco?
Ugh, this whole thing is turning into a roundabout argument. To get closer onto target for DBZA, does anyone know if they'll do the Trunks special?
Sometimes life just sucks. You have to learn to take the good with the bad. Why should you expect anything different in the mediums?Movie 5 also fits. It just has the typical Toei base saiyan PIS. Like in M13, where Goku waits until everyone is KO'd and he's half dead to go Super Saiyan 3.
Movie 9 doesn't fit because he saw his dad in this movie. In the Buu Saga, he says he hasn't seen Goku since the Cell Games. It's fine aside from that, though.
edited 17th Feb '14 7:09:35 PM by sockpuppet1

On SSG's place in the ca- continuity: Toriyama did design it, Beers, and Whis. But that doesn't mean much, since he designed every new character in the old movies. He was involved in the script writing process, but he wasn't the main or final writer, that was the guy who wrote all of the other movies. Does it fit into the timeline? Well, no, it really doesn't. There's far too many continuity issues in Movie 14 to reconcile it with the series without ignoring huge parts of the manga.
edited 17th Feb '14 11:21:37 AM by sockpuppet1