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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#5426: Jan 13th 2014 at 1:27:53 PM

well to be nice to Vegeta, he didnt do that badly against 18

It wasn't the No-Holds-Barred Beatdown that the Frieza fight was, but Vegeta didn't exactly come out looking like sunshine here either. But yeah, 18 was essentially toying with him until Trunks and the others finally got involved.

KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#5427: Jan 13th 2014 at 6:31:41 PM

Saiga brought up an interesting point about Android 16, exactly what was supposed to be wrong with his programming? he still intended to kill Goku so what else could it be. The only thing I can think of would be his nature-loving heart drive, but even then, so long as he killed Goku, would Gero really care about that?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5428: Jan 13th 2014 at 6:36:31 PM

16 didn't like bad people. Gero is a bad person.

biznizz Since: Jan, 2001
#5429: Jan 13th 2014 at 10:18:00 PM

16 would kill Goku, but would otherwise have no reason to listen to Gero in any sort of "taking over the world" nonsense he might have pulled even if 17 & 18 hadn't offed him.

He might have actually tried to rise against his master to preserve the planet.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#5430: Jan 13th 2014 at 10:27:59 PM

Did Gero want to take over the world?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#5431: Jan 13th 2014 at 10:28:17 PM

[up][up]In a sense he did by opposing Cell, albeit post-mortem.

edited 13th Jan '14 10:28:30 PM by Anomalocaris20

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biznizz Since: Jan, 2001
#5433: Jan 14th 2014 at 12:06:13 AM

Taking the... "questionable" canonicity of GT (where he, IRC, either wanted to destroy Earth or replace it with his own cyborgs/androids) out of the equation, he was a part of the Red Ribbon Army, so presumably after Goku & Pals were dead, he'd have gone back at that again. Only he'd be the one in charge of the New World Order.

...You know, with DBZ Kai, you'd think they'd do the same thing for the original Dragon Ball. And they could actually, you know, HAVE Gero in with the RRA, even for a quick cameo. Get rid of Flappe from the anime canon as the creator of Eighter anyway.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5434: Jan 14th 2014 at 12:09:35 AM

That would require actually reanimating things, which Toei are way too cheap to do. The reason they didn't do Kai for the first anime is because they didn't ruin it with padding.

uselessNINJA Since: Sep, 2012
#5435: Jan 14th 2014 at 1:39:31 AM

I wish Honest Trailers Man Voice Man would make a cameo in the future.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#5436: Jan 14th 2014 at 1:51:50 AM

Maybe do an In a World… style trailer for Return of Cooler Super 13 (continuing on how little sense that character makes).

This is why I can't wait to meet Android 13.

Also, in my search for the transformation scene, I noticed that film had its own DODGE! moment. Also, "not til the fish jumps".

edited 14th Jan '14 2:02:07 AM by wanderlustwarrior

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#5437: Jan 14th 2014 at 10:40:57 AM

He punched the Super Saiyan out of him.

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#5438: Jan 14th 2014 at 11:05:52 AM

It's hilarious how Goku goes high-pitched when he gets hit there. Too bad the same can't be said for the original JP.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#5439: Jan 14th 2014 at 11:07:29 AM

If JP Goku got any higher pitched, Super 13 would have to check if he actually made Goku a woman.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#5440: Jan 14th 2014 at 11:08:38 AM

He wouldn't be able to hear it, it'd be like a dog whistle.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#5441: Jan 14th 2014 at 11:09:00 AM

or have his head explode from the noise.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#5444: Jan 14th 2014 at 2:51:56 PM

Dr. Gero really was the most brilliant roboticist in the DBZ universe. Presumably, nobody else even came close to creating Frieza-level robots.

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Saya1 Werefox from Multiverse Since: Oct, 2011
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#5445: Jan 14th 2014 at 2:59:13 PM

I don't think 19 and 20 were Freeza level, but I would just give points to Gero on being a really good roboticist and a really shitty programmer.

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sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5446: Jan 14th 2014 at 3:00:39 PM

Gero created one robot and two cyborgs stronger than Freeza: 16, 17, and 18. 100% Freeza would in all likelihood mop the floor with 19 and 20 (they're definitely above any of his lower forms, though), while 13, 14, and 15 don't exist outside of a movie, and Cell isn't an android or a cyborg.

No one ever was able to oppose Freeza because he'd destroy potential threats before they'd become actual threats. He was in the process of doing that on Earth actually, though unintentionally and we saw him do it with the saiyans.

Also, Freeza was never the strongest in the universe. For the past 5 million years, that position has belonged to either Kaioshin or Dabra (depends on when Dabra entered this universe). Freeza was just the most well known. Saying that only a legend is on his level is also not accurate, as his father King Cold was weaker than him yet in his general tier, while Cooler (you're counting movie characters anyway, so why not count him?) is strong enough to tear his little brother in half.

So Freeza would just be the second strongest mortal from this section of the universe for a few decades.That's assuming he was still stronger than King Cold all that time, though, rather than starting off weaker and then surpassing him some time before Namek...

BOG is stupid, but: the reason it gives for that is that the saiyans must be pure hearted and righteous. Always Chaotic Evil race = no righteous saiyans for the ritual.

Ironically and hilariously, the original "legend" is actually a total weakling who Freeza could effortlessly mop the floor with.

edited 14th Jan '14 5:34:02 PM by sockpuppet1

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#5447: Jan 14th 2014 at 3:43:19 PM

Cell has Freeza's genes too, so he shouldn't count in the "How did Gero make stuff stronger than Freeza" thing.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5448: Jan 14th 2014 at 4:15:41 PM

Gero discovered infinite energy, something no other scientist has done. And it's his infinite energy models that were stronger than Freeza.

Honestly, the question is more about how Freeza got that powerful than how anything got stronger than him. Strongest in the mortal universe, literally one thousand times more powerful than his strongest henchman (who is already waaay above the rest of the universe) no reason given. Just because.

Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#5449: Jan 14th 2014 at 4:21:33 PM

yeah but the Infinite energy still only amounted to a powerlevel that became outclassed within the same week

(either by fusion, new supersaiyan forms or Cell eating who knows how many people)

also I always used to think high powerlevels were just a genetic trait of whatever race Frieza was from

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#5450: Jan 14th 2014 at 4:23:23 PM

Freeza killed those with the potential to become stronger before they could. Isn't that why he blew up Planet Vegeta?


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