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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#5301: Dec 21st 2013 at 9:34:14 PM

I forgot that Cell was kept in the basement. I thought it was some othe gag.

minespatch Since: Sep, 2009
#5302: Dec 21st 2013 at 10:46:29 PM

Maybe it's the way the hair is positioned but why do 17 and 18 have very large foreheads?

Did they already talk about the three laws of robotics in this version?

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#5303: Dec 21st 2013 at 11:00:13 PM

The Three Laws of Robotics don't apply. When you are building a robot whose explicit purpose is to cause harm to a person or persons, the Three Laws are counterproductive to your killbot.

In fact, this is the fundamental flaw of Asimov's Three Laws in general: they assume that no robot will be built for the purpose of war.

edited 21st Dec '13 11:01:03 PM by TobiasDrake

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#5304: Dec 21st 2013 at 11:07:47 PM

Also, 16 is the only one that could be described as a "robot" (well, possibly 19). Gero, 17, 18 and the entire "Android" program were about refitting from a human base, and leaving intact human instincts. Cell is made of a hodge podge of instincts of living beings.

Since Cell can heal from a single cell and gets Zenkai, he really could've been the most powerful character in the series, given time. Also, imagine if he wasn't awoken until data on Majin Buu was collected. Or Bills.

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#5305: Dec 21st 2013 at 11:21:02 PM

I don't think Cell can just infinitely become stronger from Zenkai, though, or the same would be true for the Saiyans. And he can only regenerate from a single cell if that cell is a nucleus, meaning it takes a miracle for him to be reduced to that alone. He doesn't seem to get a Zenkai from anything less than that, as losing half his body didn't do anything for him.

Also, that probably wouldn't have changed a whole lot, except for the possibility of getting their abilities and godly ki. The computer turned down Trunks' DNA because it already had enough Saiyan DNA, despite Trunks being way stronger than Goku and Vegeta at the time. I don't think the current strength of the donor matters.

edited 21st Dec '13 11:21:47 PM by Saiga

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#5306: Dec 21st 2013 at 11:21:51 PM

Right. 17, 18, and 20 (Gero) were more accurately cyborgs, as mentioned earlier in the series.

8, 16, and 19, and probably 1-16 as a whole? Androids.

I don't think Cell can just infinitely become stronger from Zenkai, though, or the same would be true for the Saiyans

Pardon me, but is an upper limit shown for Saiyans using that?

edited 21st Dec '13 11:23:11 PM by Enlong

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#5307: Dec 21st 2013 at 11:25:01 PM

[up][up]You mean a brain cell because all cells have a nucleus.

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#5308: Dec 21st 2013 at 11:26:48 PM

No, not all cells do. Red blood cells, for example.

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#5309: Dec 21st 2013 at 11:28:46 PM

Just when I was coming back to edit. Red cell don't, but white do.

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#5310: Dec 21st 2013 at 11:40:01 PM

No, I don't mean a brain cell. I mean Cell's regenerative nucleus, which he only has one of, in his head. It's only ever referred to as "a/the nucleus".

@Enlong Possibly. The guidebooks say that for the Saiyans, the Zenkai became "infrequent/insufficient/small" (the word used can be translated multiple ways, and context doesn't help) after the battle with Freeza which could mean that there is a limit to how much benefit you can get out of them. Goku, Vegeta and Gohan all got big boosts for their last ones, so they might have exhausted the available benefit to them.

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#5311: Dec 21st 2013 at 11:42:18 PM

....I'm going to chalk it up as a weird Namekian things.

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#5312: Dec 21st 2013 at 11:43:19 PM

From what we see of Androids 13-15, they're all 100% machine as well, too. 17 18 and 20 are cyborgs, though; 17 and 18 are mostly human with a few cybernetic enhancements, while 20 is all robot except for a human brain.

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#5313: Dec 22nd 2013 at 12:13:59 AM

Does 20 count as a Cyborg for having a human brain in an all robot body?

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#5315: Dec 22nd 2013 at 12:15:49 AM

It's kind of a Ghost In The Shell grey area. Just with no soul searching and more explosions.

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#5316: Dec 22nd 2013 at 12:21:11 AM

See, I thought a cyborg was supposed to be a human body modified with robotic parts, which 20 isn't.

zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#5317: Dec 22nd 2013 at 12:29:48 AM

If it starts out as a biological creature, its a cyborg.
Until you get to Gunm levels of robotics. I'm not sure what that qualifies as. Badass, mostly.

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#5318: Dec 22nd 2013 at 12:58:47 AM

Cell's regenerative abilities as a whole were pretty different Piccolo's weren't they. He inherited it from Piccolo and apparently it's supposed to work like Piccolo's but he had his entire upper half destroyed and could still regenerate, and we Know Piccolo couldn't do that. And for another matter, since it was shown that Piccolo could regenerate his entire body from his head, if for some miracle reason some cells of the regenerative organ in his brain survived a massive explosion, do you think he would be able to regenerate from that like Cell did? Otherwise, that whole things turns into a very big plot hole.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5319: Dec 22nd 2013 at 1:17:08 AM

It's a plothole that Cell can somehow regenerate without his nucleus, but not that he's better at it at Piccolo. For starters, he's harder to kill because of Freeza's cells, and secondly he's got a lot more ki than Piccolo, and regeneration is very taxing on ki reserves.

biznizz Since: Jan, 2001
#5320: Dec 22nd 2013 at 1:33:39 AM

Isn't that why they changed it during the dub so that he could regenerate From a Single Cell anyway?

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#5321: Dec 22nd 2013 at 1:39:15 AM

Probably. Could also have just been a fortunate coincidence as they were trying to match up the Mouth Flaps.

edited 22nd Dec '13 1:39:31 AM by Saiga

Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#5322: Dec 22nd 2013 at 2:11:56 AM

also about the door, at the very least in the manga they only tried to knock it down with brute force once (though Krilling still gave it a useless looking push), before Picollo decided to just blast it open

but by then they were shocked to hear from the inside that 17 and 18 were already awake, all except for Vegeta who just blew the door open himself then

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#5323: Dec 22nd 2013 at 5:14:21 AM

I like that Krillin still manages to find the lab after he gets owned.

...Don't understand though why he didn't get a hit on the counter after Gero tricks Krillin into letting him into the lab.

Also, why does Krillin keep forgetting Destructo Disc is a thing he can do?

...Granted, Gero could probably just absorb it with his remaining hand.

edited 22nd Dec '13 5:15:10 AM by unnoun

Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#5324: Dec 22nd 2013 at 5:17:34 AM

that disc would have come in handy a lot whenever 19 or 20 were distracted by absorbing other energy blasts though

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#5325: Dec 22nd 2013 at 5:43:57 AM

And he can only regenerate from a single cell if that cell is a nucleus, meaning it takes a miracle for him to be reduced to that alone.

You mean a brain cell because all cells have a nucleus.

No, not all cells do. Red blood cells, for example.

No, I don't mean a brain cell. I mean Cell's regenerative nucleus, which he only has one of, in his head. It's only ever referred to as "a/the nucleus".

If I was Toriyama's biology instructor, I'd have given him an "F". Retroactively.


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