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#5202: Dec 12th 2013 at 2:48:24 PM

During the Cell Games, couldn't you make the case that the only Saiyan on Earth weaker than Vegeta was a half-breed infant?

edited 12th Dec '13 2:48:57 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#5203: Dec 12th 2013 at 2:49:45 PM

Why would you discount Future Trunks, because he's from another timeline?

Saya1 Werefox from Multiverse Since: Oct, 2011
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#5204: Dec 12th 2013 at 3:06:04 PM

[up]Yeah Trunks thought he was stronger because he knew how to use that 2nd super form. But Vegeta did know about it and realized how useless the form was.

edited 12th Dec '13 3:12:00 PM by Saya1

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#5206: Dec 12th 2013 at 3:32:44 PM

And by the Cell Games, neither of them are even using those forms any more, just sticking to plain old Super Saiyan.

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#5207: Dec 12th 2013 at 3:35:21 PM

[up]Patience.

[up][up][up]I wasn't discounting Future Trunks. From what I remember seeing, Trunks and Vegeta were more or less even, but while Vegeta was more knowledgeable, he was also rasher and weaker. I could be wrong, though.

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#5208: Dec 12th 2013 at 3:43:01 PM

Trunks was weaker than Vegeta any time they were in the same form, only slightly though by Vegeta's own admission.

Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#5209: Dec 12th 2013 at 4:33:09 PM

and even after their second round of training there wasnt much to go on performance-wise

just they were the only ones who could actually fight the Cell Juniors.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#5210: Dec 12th 2013 at 7:52:56 PM

Is it confirmed that Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta and Goku were just the four Saiyans to survive the planet's destruction.

Couldn't there be, like, a whole fuckin' lot?

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#5211: Dec 12th 2013 at 7:56:08 PM

I like to imagine that Frieza had his attack timed so that as many Saiyans as possible were on Vegeta, to make extra double sure they were all dead.

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#5212: Dec 12th 2013 at 7:56:37 PM

Depending on what you take as in continuity, there's also Paragus (well, there was Paragus), Broly, and Table (Tarble?)

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#5213: Dec 12th 2013 at 8:04:28 PM

"Was" Broly as well. He ded.

Canonically, the only four Saiyans to survive were Goku, Raditz, Vegeta, and Nappa (I guess more could have survived, but we don't know). Expanded universe adds Paragus, Broly, Tarble, and Turles.

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#5214: Dec 12th 2013 at 8:18:53 PM

It wouldn't be surprising for more Saiyans to survive, which is why they're a popular Sailor Earth, but the manga acts like it's impossible for some reason.

edited 12th Dec '13 8:21:29 PM by Saiga

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#5215: Dec 12th 2013 at 8:20:59 PM

Considering Freeza wanted to wipe out the entire race, they probably arranged it so that all, save the four survivors, of the Sayains were on the planet.

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#5216: Dec 12th 2013 at 9:51:59 PM

If they were arranging it, they would have arranged it so that all the Saiyans were on the planet. Didn't the Saiyans all work for Frieza? He probably has some way of keeping track of the people in his employ; he could have just gone, "Hey, all but four Saiyans are on Planet Vegeta, I'm never going to get a better opportunity than right now." Then just kept using the three Saiyans he had left after covering it up with the meteor story, and left his men instructions to wait for Kakarot to report back in for duty, and went off to do whatever Frieza does in his spare time.

edited 12th Dec '13 9:52:24 PM by TobiasDrake

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#5217: Dec 12th 2013 at 10:29:53 PM

"Attention all stupid monkeys Saiyans, please return back to Planet Vegeta! I have a surprise for you, and the punch line is to die for!"

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#5218: Dec 12th 2013 at 10:29:57 PM

and went off to do whatever Frieza does in his spare time.

Blowing up planets.

edit:

So, geting back to the original point, does this make Vegeta the Monkey King?

edited 12th Dec '13 10:30:29 PM by Enlong

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#5219: Dec 13th 2013 at 11:02:30 PM

Freezer Chose to keep Vegeta, Nappa, and Raditz alive...Goku was just lucky to be sent off right before it exploded.

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#5220: Dec 13th 2013 at 11:06:25 PM

...Frankly, Raditz was kinda unnecessary. I mean, the average power level of Freeza's mooks is twice that of Raditz.

That's sad.

Then there's the Saibamen, and the fact that they can literally mass produce and grow things as strong as him.

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#5221: Dec 13th 2013 at 11:12:04 PM

Raditz wasn't deliberately spared, he was just assaulting another planet (presumably, from his dialogue, with Nappa). That was before it was revealed that Freeza blew up the planet, but it was never said Freeza deliberately spared anyone but Vegeta.

[up] What? The average power of his mooks is less than that. The nameless ones, if that's what you're talking about. They were told by Zarbon not to confront any Namekians with power levels of 3,000 (exactly double of Raditz) and the two that confronted Gohan and Kuririn got killed in one hit each when they powered up to Raditz' level.

edited 13th Dec '13 11:13:56 PM by Saiga

Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#5222: Dec 14th 2013 at 1:37:40 AM

well Raditz was stated to have a powerlevel of over 1200 (the same as the Saibaman)

and the mooks were clearly unaffraid of Nameks with a powerlevel of 1000, so I'd say they werent that close to 1000 themselves

and I dont see anywhere what the powerlevels of Gohan and Krillin were when they took out their mookpair

edited 14th Dec '13 1:39:21 AM by Medigo03

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#5223: Dec 14th 2013 at 2:14:54 AM

The Saibaiman were exactly 1,200 and Raditz was 1,500. Them both being over 1,200 and the same power is a translation error.

Zarbon states that both Gohan and Kuririn were "about 1,500" to Freeza when they wonder who the pair that took down their goons are. Dunno if dubs/Viz carry this over. The goons' confidence against the three Namekians could be the fact that they severally outnumber them, or that they fit between 1,000 and 1,500 and just suck enough to be OHKO'd by people slightly stronger than them. Or those two goons were weaker than the rest of the group.

edited 14th Dec '13 2:15:35 AM by Saiga

Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#5224: Dec 14th 2013 at 4:41:45 AM

ah yes I do see viz mentioning Krillin/Gohan being at 1500

I just dont remember where Raditz was stated to be exactly 1500

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#5225: Dec 14th 2013 at 4:50:58 AM

There was a list of Saiyan arc (and a few pre-Saiyan arc) power levels included with Chapter 231 (with the Kamehameha vs Galick Gun clash) in Jump that gave Raditz's battle power. Here it is. Toriyama also wrote on a memo for the anime that Raditz had a higher battle power than the Saibaimen. No idea why he did that.

edited 14th Dec '13 4:51:25 AM by Saiga


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