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#5026: Nov 8th 2013 at 3:06:55 PM

From Dragon Ball through the end of Z, Yamcha consistently loses just about every fight he's in, often without contributing anything to the effort. Tien and Chaiotzu don't garner the same level of disrespect from the fanbase because Tien at least does things, and Chiaotzu just doesn't have enough screentime for people to dislike him. He was useful in Dragon Ball, albeit in an antagonistic way, and then he basically becomes Tien's handbag.

Yamcha was terrified of the Saibamen until Tien defeated one, then Yamcha got cocky and got himself slaughtered. Krillin went on to kill three of them simultaneously because Krillin is awesome. Tien and Chiaotzu both died trying to overcome Nappa, but Yamcha didn't even make it to the Nappa fight.

After being brought back to life, Yamcha got effortlessly slaughtered by Dr. Gero and then never contributed anything again. Tien, by contrast, was able to stall out Cell - I cannot remember if he was Perfect or Imperfect - using his Tri-Beam, and even distracted Super Buu for a brief moment. Despite being thoroughly outclassed, he was able to contribute something, while Yamcha capped off a long career of failure with one last hurrah consisting of getting effortlessly destroyed by Dr. Gero.

Tien doesn't beat the villains, but at least he makes an effort to stay relevant.

edited 8th Nov '13 3:07:42 PM by TobiasDrake

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#5027: Nov 8th 2013 at 4:46:55 PM

wait Tien killed a Saibaman first? I thought Yamcha was the first one to fight one and got owned in the process?

edited 8th Nov '13 4:47:07 PM by MikeBreezy92

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#5028: Nov 8th 2013 at 4:48:05 PM

I guess that explains it, I don't think doing things which end up being pointless and suicidal the majority of the time like Tien does (and his front against Cell, was still ultimately pointless) makes him somehow better than Yamcha. I don't get the Doctor Gero thing because 1) he didn't realize who they were and 2) I doubt Tien would have faired any better. Though I do understand calling him bland. Tien has three eyes, and Chiaotzu is basically a doll with psychic powers. Yamcha has a scar. I get it. I don't really want to debate, just looking for feedback. So, I'll drop it now.

[up]Tien fought one saibamen, but then Vegeta killed it because it was losing, then Yamcha fought one, beat it into the ground, but lowered his guard and it used that opportunity to kill them both.

[up][up]Yeah, Krillin and awesome do not belong in the same sentence. And Tien "distracting" Buu was basically him firing one tri-beam and then getting kicked from behind and not doing anything again, basically it was exactly what happened with Dr. Gero and Yamcha. And to be clear, I don't care about Yamcha one way or the other, I just don't like people acting as if the things that happened to him couldn't happen to the others. Toriyama may have not had it happened to them, but if Gero had met up with Tien or Krillin the outcome would have been the same. The only one's strong enough to take him at that point were Goku(before heart disease), Vegeta, and Piccolo.

edited 8th Nov '13 5:11:55 PM by KBSL

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#5029: Nov 8th 2013 at 5:05:01 PM

Yamcha was distinct when he first appeared.

Then he lost his gynophobia and Goku had a 5-foot growth spurt.

edited 8th Nov '13 5:05:49 PM by Enlong

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#5030: Nov 9th 2013 at 12:59:08 PM

[up] Eh, still looks distinct enough to me.

After being brought back to life, Yamcha got effortlessly slaughtered by Dr. Gero and then never contributed anything again,

What's perhaps more pressing to his detractors is that not only does Yamcha fail to contribute anything to the fight, he flat-out refuses to, for no reason other than pure fear. While not an unrealistic reaction, it makes him look downright spineless in comparison to the other human fighters, who can at least say they tried. Yamcha can't even do that.

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#5031: Nov 9th 2013 at 2:16:24 PM

Yamcha was affraid of a Saibaman, what?

I dont remember that

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#5032: Nov 13th 2013 at 8:03:14 PM

[up][up]That seemed to be for more comic relief than anything, if he actually thought he could help I'm sure he would, but by the time we got to Perfect Cell and beyond we were long past the point He or any of the other humans (and most of the non-humans as well) could actually do anything.

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#5033: Nov 14th 2013 at 9:27:24 AM

[up][up]I don't remember the saibamen, but he was scared shitless of the androids. After getting revived he was reluctant to follow Gohan and Krillin and even blatantly yelled that he'll come, but he won't fight.

Prior to Vegeta joining the team, Yamcha was the original Worf of the series. Yamcha during the Android saga was a pussy.

edited 14th Nov '13 9:28:34 AM by Lionheart0

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#5034: Nov 14th 2013 at 1:19:09 PM

After Tien beat the 1st Saibamen, Yamcha got confident and told Krillin they can beat them since Tien could as well seeing as they all got the same training.

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#5035: Nov 14th 2013 at 2:30:06 PM

[up] This. Tien takes the first fight, beats the crap out of the Saibaman, Yamcha exclaims, "If he can do it, we all can do it!" eagerly jumps to take the next fight, and then gets blown up and dies.

Then he comes back for the Android Saga where he promptly announces he wants nothing more to do with fighting, gets effortlessly destroyed by Android 20, and never fights anyone else again.

As Piccolo points out in Kai Abridged, nobody watched Dragon Ball. Western audiences got Z long before the original Dragon Ball, and so this is the image of Yamcha that cemented in everyone's mind. What passes as Yamcha's accomplishments in the original Dragon Ball aren't quite sufficient enough to overturn this embarrassing display in Z, and so the image lingers on that while the other humans became steadily less and less relevant, Yamcha was never relevant. From the start of Z onward, he has less screentime than any other human, and what little screentime he has is filled with Yamcha getting effortlessly murdered and outperformed by everyone.

edited 14th Nov '13 2:31:10 PM by TobiasDrake

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#5036: Nov 14th 2013 at 2:45:13 PM

No, it's got nothing to do with the Z divide. Yamcha was just as bad in early Dragon Ball, perhaps even worse because he got more battles and as such jobbed more often. And (what I believe) is his worst moment happens in the Uranai Baba arc - where he gets effortlessly beaten down by Mummy, losing completely, and then Goku comes in and one-shots the Mummy and proceeds to call him weak.

No, plenty of fans of the series have seen the first anime and mock the shit out of Yamcha regardless. Especially because Dragon Ball plays a lot of his losses for laughs - I'd eat my shoe if his match against God didn't contribute to him being a joke to most of the fandom.

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#5038: Nov 14th 2013 at 6:23:04 PM

No, I don't think so, but mostly others use the Hellsing Abridged thread to bring up their other projects.

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#5039: Nov 14th 2013 at 7:37:37 PM

That reminds me, I still haven't watched AoT abridged.

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#5042: Nov 20th 2013 at 6:58:44 AM

I'd say that Tien was consistently useful. In Part 1 it goes without saying. He was one of the four strongest characters in the series. In Part 2 he beat a Saibaman during the Saiyan Saga, stopped Cell long enough for Android 18 to escape and saved Dende and Hercule by redirecting a blast from Majin Boo. He was also treated with more respect than Yamcha, Chiaotzu and Krillin. That's probably why in the Abridged series he's not treated a Butt-Monkey, but Yamcha and Krillin are.

edited 20th Nov '13 7:38:37 AM by ClassyMyths

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#5043: Nov 20th 2013 at 8:25:03 AM

By "four strongest", are you talking Dragon Ball, or DBZ? Because Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo at least. I still find 18 and Krillin to be stronger than him, too, even if I have no proof.

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#5044: Nov 20th 2013 at 8:53:22 AM

oh 18 is definitely stronger than Tien or Krillin

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#5045: Nov 20th 2013 at 9:03:11 AM

[up][up]Original Dragonball. The hierarchy pretty much went Goku > Piccolo > Tien. Tien was even the Deuteragonist of both the second Tournament and the King Piccolo arcs.

Yamcha...yeah even in Dragonball the dude sucked. He lost every single major fight he was ever in. The best he ever did was Draw in his very first fight with Goku (a fight which was interrupted and Goku managed to shake off his "strongest attack.")

The one thing I never got is how Krillin ends up getting billed as the strongest human.

edited 20th Nov '13 9:04:18 AM by Lionheart0

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#5046: Nov 20th 2013 at 12:45:30 PM

[up][up][up]I meant the Part 1. During the Piccolo Saga Tien, Kami, Piccolo and Goku were called the 4 strongest guys on Earth.

He was out fell behind quickly in DBZ though.

18 is almost definitely stronger than Tien, but I don't think Krillin is. Tien started out stronger and never stopped training.

[up]There wasn't much competition for strongest human. Uub wasn't born at the time and whether Tien being human is questionable.

edited 20th Nov '13 12:52:35 PM by ClassyMyths

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#5047: Nov 20th 2013 at 12:54:13 PM

But Krillin had his potential unlocked on Namek, so that probably kicked him into first place by a wide margin.

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#5048: Nov 20th 2013 at 1:07:41 PM

Gohan is half-human. If being half-saiyan counts for being the strongest saiyan, shouldn't being half-human count towards being the strongest human?

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#5049: Nov 20th 2013 at 1:08:37 PM

[up][up][up]Is it because of the eye? Always thought that was tattooed on or something.

[up][up]Only way to clear up who is stronger would be for Tien and Krillan to fight each other.

edited 20th Nov '13 1:11:42 PM by GethKnight

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#5050: Nov 20th 2013 at 1:09:06 PM

Krillin did invent the Destructo Disc. I think it's a pretty neat technique before they started running into villains that could regenerate.


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