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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#38526: Dec 24th 2020 at 9:57:47 AM

  • Lani: That would be one of the most terrifying universes to live in, though, especially if you're just a mundane human.
  • Kaiser: Oh, no. The Dragon Ball world is an existential horror.
  • Lani: Maybe you've got some good shit going on. Like, if you're living in any of the peaceful times, you've got that capsule tech going on, that's pretty cool! But as soon as anything bad happens, you've just gotta be like, "Oh, I guess I'm along for the ride."
  • Kaiser: You're just praying to God that you were good enough that when the heroes use the Dragon Balls to bring back all the good people, that you're one of them.

Y'know, Kaiser raises an interesting point here. After the Buu arc, the moral alignment of the human (and furry) species on the planet Earth was reset to 100% Good.

Any person with evil in their heart that existed on the planet Earth was killed by Majin Buu and then not resurrected. For a window of time, there will be no rapists. There will be no murderers. There will be no organized crime. There will be no corrupt bureaucrats. There will be no greedy CEOs. There will be no hate groups. Every ounce of human evil was snuffed from the world by Human Extinction Attack, and did not return.

This does not prevent people from becoming rapists, murderers, greedy CEOs, etc. Evil will return to the hearts of man. But there will be a period of time at which the world is genuinely pleasant in a way that has never happened in the course of human history.

No wonder Gohan and Videl hung up their capes. There isn't any crime for them to fight.

EDIT: And also it's still kind of horrible and terrifying when you think about how many people lost loved ones nonetheless, and about that uncomfortable middle ground where it was like, "How good is good enough and how much bad have you actually have to have done in order to just barely fail to qualify for resurrection?"

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 24th 2020 at 9:59:28 AM

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#38527: Dec 24th 2020 at 9:58:06 AM

And in a departure from how they've done it, they're basically open mic.

No, they've done it that way the last 2 times.

Edited by Ghilz on Dec 24th 2020 at 12:58:31 PM

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#38528: Dec 24th 2020 at 10:00:25 AM

Vegeta got revived, it's a pretty low bar. tongue

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#38529: Dec 24th 2020 at 10:01:47 AM

Vegeta got revived, it's a pretty low bar. tongue

Shenron "Turns out that good and evil are not existing concepts, but instead arbitrary societal constructs and it's all societal norms and pressures and psychological issues. So I just resurrected everyone"

"Look I'm a magic wish granting dragon, even I don't want to be the arbiter of what is morality."

That or we discover Shenron's a utilitarian.

Edited by Ghilz on Dec 24th 2020 at 1:03:48 PM

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#38530: Dec 24th 2020 at 10:10:47 AM

Funny thing is, that would actually justify Captain Ginyu slinking around in Resurrection of F.

Oh, and then we could have Babidi just sort of hiding out with his plans ruined, figuring out a life for himself. Just insert him in the background of shots. Goten and Trunks get ice cream and the server happens to be Babidi in a fake moustache.

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#38531: Dec 24th 2020 at 10:20:54 AM

Kaiser: Oh, no. The Dragon Ball world is an existential horror.

One needs only to look at History of Trunks to realize how horrible the DB world can be.

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#38532: Dec 24th 2020 at 10:25:20 AM

Hey, remember that time when every universe except one was erased from existence but then suddenly brought back into existence?

Or what about that time when an entire timeline, with all universes contained within, was erased from existence and never brought back?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 24th 2020 at 10:25:33 AM

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#38533: Dec 24th 2020 at 10:27:59 AM

To be fair A) most people were already dead, and B) that also wiped out the afterlife, so it's not like anyone's around to really notice.

Other than future trunk and future Mai I guess.

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#38534: Dec 24th 2020 at 10:52:22 AM

Dragon Ball Wishes it was Hokuto No Ken in terms of Horror.

Its basically the History of Trunks Special for the entire series, but instead of Androids, there's roided Giant men mooks, Radiated monstrosities, and God like Martial Artists raging war in order to come out on top of the Mad Max esque apocalypse.

Hell, Marvel and DC make Dragon Ball look like Childs play. At least in Dragon Ball, only planets are at risk most of the time, in Marvel and DC, the Multiverse and beyond is in danger every single day of being erased from existence.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#38535: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:05:21 AM

Always amazes me how hard History of Trunks shows just what kind of hell the Dragon Ball world is when its not focused on Goku.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
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#38536: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:19:53 AM

Its Basically Hokuto No Ken, really.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#38537: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:21:25 AM

Yea, but Kenshiro doesn't exist to make heads explode.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#38538: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:24:04 AM

Also there's way more assholes around ruining your day. And the world itself is fucked by radiation and the like, presumably you cooould be fine in the Android future if you lived out in the wilderness and hid yourself as best as you could. 17 and 18 only really attacked cities. Good thing Gero didnt install Ki sensors. tongue

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#38539: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:39:02 AM

Hey, remember that time when every universe except one was erased from existence but then suddenly brought back into existence?

Crazy thing is, that actually happened in the Power Rangers Boom Comics too. tongue

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38540: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:41:15 AM

Yeah. We've discussed how the Dragonball Universe is pretty shitty for normal people.

Hell, even before the shit with King Piccolo (the earliest point where things got really awful for everyone everywhere), we had the most powerful Army in the world, who could pretty much do what they wanted with the entire world government being 100% helpless to stop them.

I repeat: Red Ribbon was so strong in terms of military force, another military force made up of the entire planet was absolutely no match for them in a straight fight. It was only because of some stupidly strong kid who didn't realize fighting an entire army was insane that they were stopped.

For all our criticisms of Red's stupid wish, I can actually see the logic: his army's already strong enough to rule the world, so why would he need the dragon balls for that?

The Dragonball universe is incredibly unfair to those who don't have enough power, which depending on the time of day....is fucking everyone. There's always gonna be a dude so powerful, they make everyone else look like weak baby men. And no matter how strong you get, a new absolutely unbeatably strong dude will appear to put you right back in that place...while probably being that compared to someone even stronger.

And then there's a certain blue baby king of everything who can literally just wipe you from existence the moment he feels like it no matter how powerful you are...and I fear for the day someone stronger than him shows up.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#38541: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:42:53 AM

Good thing Saiyan genetics are godly in multiple senses. tongue

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#38542: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:46:45 AM

@DGOC: What's with this obsession with Hokuto no Ken all of a sudden?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38543: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:47:11 AM

Yeah, and that the most powerful Saiyan in the universe is such a cool guy.

Because if Goku were more like other saiyans, he'd either be dead, or kicking the shit out of everyone....

....well ok. He's still doing that second one, but for different reasons.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#38544: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:49:50 AM

Well it's still the same reason considering how a lust for battle still is in the Saiyan genome most of the time.

I imagine it manifested in Gine as being really competitive at cook offs.

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#38545: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:50:51 AM

[up]Saiyan Food Wars were to the death.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#38546: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:52:27 AM

I unironically wanna see that spin-off.

"Super Saiyan Cook-Off"

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#38547: Dec 24th 2020 at 11:54:17 AM

The real reason Freeza blew up Vegeta, Saiyan cuisine was outcompeting the Freezer King. tongue

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#38548: Dec 24th 2020 at 1:05:40 PM

To be fair to the world government, they probably don't put a lot of money or resources into their military spending. Why would they? They don't need to have a lot of mobile forces on the world stage in case a geopolitical adversary starts to act up. They have no geopolitical adversaries. They are the only nation that exists.

Not every country spends United States money on building up their military. In a world that's been united as a single nation for God knows how long, what would even be the point?

Now, the obvious answer to that is, "Because Red Ribbon Army." But that wasn't a factor before the Red Ribbon Army became a thing. Red Ribbon is basically a militant insurgency in a nation that had previously known peace and prosperity. It shouldn't come as a surprise that the world government is scrambling to figure out what to do about it.

Red Ribbon also has clear visual parallels to Nazi Germany, right down to the titular Red Ribbon from which they draw their name being a reference to the red armbands worn by Nazi troops. The Nazis famously were able to get up and running by building their forces in violation of their existing treaties, which they were allowed to get away with because other European nations were weary of conflict and didn't want to provoke a war. And then they struck out hard and fast, before the other nations could get their pants on.

It's not hard to imagine a similar failed approach of appeasement happening with Red Ribbon.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 24th 2020 at 1:08:03 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38549: Dec 24th 2020 at 1:29:00 PM

Huh. I didn't consider that.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#38550: Dec 24th 2020 at 1:35:15 PM

It's alright, neither did Toriyama.

I mean, the Red Ribbon Arc was still during the phase when DB was a comedy-adventure barely distinct from a gag manga.


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