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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#38476: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:59:03 AM

One could argue there's ground for UI being both a Technique and a Transformation. Like, the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

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#38477: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:01:35 AM

Beerus uses it, and all the Angels use it as well.

Yes, but they don't transform when they use it, is the point. We're told that it's a technique and when other characters use it, it's depicted as such. In the manga, we even see Master Roshi using it and once again, it's a technique.

But when Goku uses it, he visibly transforms. He is literally the only character for whom Ultra Instinct works like this, and no explanation is ever given for why Ultra Instinct is a technique for everyone else but a Super Saiyan form for Goku.

So we're left with a weird case where Ultra Instinct is a technique and we're told it's a technique and we're even shown that it's a technique - but when main character Goku uses it, and because he's the main character he uses it more than anyone else, it's a transformation. Because fuck you, that's why.

It's supposed to be a technique but it's depicted as a transformation for Goku, and only for Goku, and for nobody else but Goku. Goku's transformation versions even get cool new names: Ultra Instinct Sign and Ultra Instinct Omen. What are "Sign" and "Omen"? Who knows! They aren't a thing for anyone that actually uses Ultra Instinct not named Son Goku.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:05:36 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38478: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:15:04 AM

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Sign and Omen are the same thing. It's just different names for the same concept.

As for why it's different from Goku, I believe Whis said even Beerus hasn't fully perfected it yet right? And when Roshi used it, both Beerus and Whis said it was a very rudimentary version at that.

It may also have something to do with Goku's God Ki from the ritual. Maybe that's having an effect.

Of course, this is all just conjecture on my part. The real reason is probably Shut up! That's why!

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EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#38479: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:17:27 AM

I wonder if UI is a transformation for Goku as it's his first step to true ascension into Godhood.

Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#38480: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:28:03 AM

Ultra instinct just gives people white hair when they acquire it. Why that is I have no idea.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#38481: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:31:37 AM

We'll probably get an honorable mentions video soon. Is there any particular transformation that you'd expect them to focus on?

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#38482: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:31:39 AM

Well, the angels all have white hair, and presumably they have Ultra Instinct on 24/7.

[up]Rosé, giant Nameks, Super Saiyan Fury and Fake Super Saiyan.

The last two mostly to take the piss out of.

Edited by HailMuffins on Dec 23rd 2020 at 3:32:50 PM

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#38483: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:33:05 AM

Moro does get the same Silver hair as Goku once he copies Merus` power with it

So its not like its only a transformation for Goku.

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#38484: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:33:13 AM

[up][up]You say that but the way Whis fights is similar to how UI Goku fights. Lots of graceful dodges.

Edited by Ghilz on Dec 23rd 2020 at 1:33:39 PM

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#38485: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:35:29 AM

The way the silver hair is so mismatched with Goku's character makes me wonder if Toriyama actually designed his UI look.

I mean, seems like an oversight for someone whose designs are always so good.

Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#38486: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:37:08 AM

UI was all Toriyama. Omen was made by Toei

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#38487: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:37:29 AM

Even Toriyama has off days.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#38488: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:38:00 AM

I dunno, "Goku with his regular hair uninked" seems like the logical step from "Goku with uninked spiky hair" for Toriyama. tongue

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#38491: Dec 23rd 2020 at 10:56:08 AM

The rare moment when a Toei exclusive transformation overshadows the real thing.

Honestly, Omen makes it seem less like a transformation and more like an actual technique since Goku doesn't physically change at all. Its only when he gets the Silver hair that it becomes the standard transformation.

I honestly expected Goku to combine Omen with Blue for this very reason and actually make Blue feel like a godly form for once.

The silver hair is fine, but it feels like a blatant Merchandise-Driven move to sell a new Goku form.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#38493: Dec 23rd 2020 at 11:14:29 AM

Is it possible it's a transformation for Goku because he's a mortal using the technique vs a divine being?

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#38494: Dec 23rd 2020 at 11:21:22 AM

I mean, what makes one divine in the verse exactly? Didn't Beerus and Champa presumably start out mortal? tongue

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#38495: Dec 23rd 2020 at 11:21:36 AM

The fact that Roshi uses it in the manga kind of squashes that theory, even if its a basic form of the technique.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#38496: Dec 23rd 2020 at 11:27:21 AM

If we go by Toppo's usage, becoming a god just means using godly ki instead of regular, mortal, plebean ki.

And Goku doesn't actually do that, outside his Blue and God states he's still using the bootleg stuff.

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#38497: Dec 23rd 2020 at 1:17:27 PM

Ultra Instinct is just a less impactful Musou Tensei, anyhow. tongue

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#38498: Dec 23rd 2020 at 1:31:19 PM

That would be this.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 23rd 2020 at 1:31:29 AM

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#38499: Dec 23rd 2020 at 2:01:46 PM

Goku gets silver eyes in omen for what its worth

Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#38500: Dec 23rd 2020 at 2:04:51 PM

So tomorrow should be the round table discussions over the honorable mentions. I believe that the only one’s mentioned so far are Broly’s wrath form and Golden Frieza. What else do you all expect to get brought up in it?


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