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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#38451: Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:50:09 AM

Might as well add his comment here:

AN ADDENDUM: The Manga specifically refers to this form as a Technique, much like the Kaio-Ken. Of which we expressly said would not count on this list.

This might indeed be the case and UI being on this list may be invalidated by the rules we set. I, as the writer and the most knowledgeable about Dragon Ball of the 3 of us, acknowledge that.

From our perspective, the way the form is treated walks the line between Transformation and Technique, at least to us, and the way its introduced is remarkably similar to past transformations, though the mastery of it is closer to, say, a technique.

Ultimately, while our consensus may be wrong? We write these lists first and foremost to celebrate Dragon Ball, and we hope you accept our position on this as, if nothing else, an excuse for us to gush about things that we enjoy from a series we love! Especially since that's all this list has ever been: A way for us to talk about Dragon Ball with you guys.

Either way? Thanks for tuning so far, and we hope you enjoy(ed) the video!

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#38452: Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:51:33 AM

Honestly, most people in the fandom treat Ultra Instinct as a transformation anyway, so I don't mind.

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#38453: Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:57:38 AM

Was that Vegito candy transformation in the manga or anime padding?

Because if it's actually legit, i would have love Buu using the technique on a stronger opponent. Imagine if Buu was in TOP and he used candy beam on Jiren and he would have still kicked everyone's ass. That would give him some personality at least

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#38454: Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:58:47 AM

It's in the Manga.

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#38455: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:00:37 AM

Candy Vegetto was in the manga. In fact, it was the climax of his fight with Buuhan. Once Buuhan turns him back, Vegetto starts a countdown before he kills him, and Buu absorbs him with the tentacle Candy Vegetto ripped off (which was Vegetto's plan all along).

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#38456: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:05:56 AM

Then gimme Candy Vegetto for Fighterz /s

Which is worth mentioning, last year they counted Potara as a technique in the Fusion part even though Potara is more of an item (Top 12 Dragon Ball Items, is that possible?) but again, who cares, UI behaves more like a transformation anyway.

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#38457: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:14:31 AM

We're told that UI is a technique, but whenever Goku (and, bizarrely, only Goku) uses it, we're shown a transformation.

It's not supposed to be a transformation but gets treated as such as regards the main character because Dragon Ball creators (Toriyama, Toei, AND Toyotaro) are all used to a particular aesthetic for indicating that Goku has gone up in power.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#38458: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:15:16 AM

Beerus uses it, and all the Angels use it as well.

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#38460: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:19:39 AM

Please, #1 is clearly Zarbon.

The very first, and still, the very best!

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#38461: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:21:03 AM

I called it from day 1 what the number one form is going to be. Just like when I called last year.

I am not certain if this makes me good at predicting, or TFS just very predictable.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#38462: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:21:40 AM

Monster Carrot's magic touch?

I called it from day 1 what the number one form is going to be. Just like when I called last year.

Was there any doubt ever that Super Saiyan was gonna be #1?

Like, I think the only people who didn't call it are people who dont know what Dragonball is.

Ditto last year

It's not TFS being predictable, or great insight, it's that in both cases there's only one correct answer and it's "Obviously the one so memetic that it has moved beyond Dragonball and permeated pop culture"

Edited by Ghilz on Dec 23rd 2020 at 12:24:18 PM

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#38463: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:27:45 AM

I predicted Kamehame after Freeza was number 1, because as they said even if it seems predictable or following a trend, it was still the right answer for them.

So following that logic I concluded that Kamehame last year would be the number one, simply for how... prevalent it is. How much it influenced things.

And with that in mind I just concluded that the same would happen with Super Saiyan, as countless forms on the list owe their existence to the very first, the OG.

It is very much something that has permeated pop culture, and honestly wouldn't make sense to not be the number 1.

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#38464: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:27:59 AM

I mean, to be fair other than maybe a countdown on fights, most of these types of videos have an obvious number 1. It's just the journey that is more interesting and see which makes the list and which doesnt.

Like, if they make a Top 12 Dragon Ball items, there is no way the Dragon Balls aren't Number 1. Dragon Ball is fairly predictable in that regard.

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#38466: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:30:11 AM

I don't think there's an obvious winner for my suggestion of Top 12 Dragon Ball Kills.

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#38467: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:30:12 AM

[up][up] I shoulda put a joking thing about my comment. I'm not saying predictability is a bad thing, just that it is pretty easy to recognize which one will be number 1. The predictability is actually kind of comforting in its own way.

Edited by EchoingSilence on Dec 23rd 2020 at 11:30:19 AM

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#38468: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:32:16 AM

Imagine if Buu was in TOP and he used candy beam on Jiren and he would have still kicked everyone's ass. That would give him some personality at least

Buu not participating in the Tournament of Power is a missed opportunity in general, but this... imagine if this was used as the narrative reason for Team Universe 7 not having to face the full strength of Jiren until late in the arc; he gets turned into a candy bar or whatever near the beginning and they still can't beat him but he isn't the heaviest hitter in the tournament until Buu gets knocked out and Zeno decides that means Jiren has to be changed back.

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#38469: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:32:19 AM

Like, yeah, I get that, but there's nothing to pat one's self on the back about predicting that.

It's barely a prediction, it's a question with an obvious answer. "Whats the best transformation in Dragonball?" Like, it's not even a matter of opinion when there's exactly one that's permeated popculture, gets referenced, copied, homages by other works.

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#38470: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:33:12 AM

[up] Fair enough, I'll avoid pulling shit like that in the future.

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#38471: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:37:52 AM

True, seeing everything but number 1 has consistently been more interesting.

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#38472: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:50:05 AM

That said, there's nothing wrong with being predictable and subversion for the sake of subversion isn't necessarily better.

At very least, their explanations for the obvious top picks justify why exactly why they're top to begin with.

Like, we ALL knew Super Saiyan is the most popular transformation in the franchise, but its nice to be reminded every now and then why that's the case.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#38473: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:51:14 AM

Honestly I always found UI "not being a powerup" kinda iffy. Sure it's got fancy super dodging, but it also kinda kicks Jiren's ass when even Blue Goku had trouble doing so. tongue

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#38474: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:54:16 AM

I'm ok with this, even though I'm in the UI should be a technique camp myself.

Though honestly, our boy Toriyama should written it more as a technique than as a transformation (because that's how it comes off as), but that's how it is. The man does what he does.

And UI is a great concept no matter what you treat it as.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#38475: Dec 23rd 2020 at 9:56:50 AM

UI is a transformation; it falls in line aesthetically and narratively with how every other transformation has been handled in the series. If it was another form of Super Saiyan, it wouldn't be up for debate.

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