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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#38426: Dec 22nd 2020 at 11:25:53 AM

Its just how Dragon Ball's power level system works; its extremely linear and rigid and doesn't really allow for variations, because each power up is better than the last, so there's no reason to use the lower forms.

Its why Super's use of the other Super Saiyan forms feels so weird, because Blue is straight up just a better version of them. They tried to alleviate that by saying Blue has "stamina" issues, but the Anime straight up said "Fuck that" which makes the other Super form sues even more nebulous.

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#38427: Dec 22nd 2020 at 11:25:58 AM

Its redundant for Goku by Super and the animators prefer to save costs by only using SS 1 and SSB.

The stamina problem is for 3 not 2, unless it was retconned

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#38428: Dec 22nd 2020 at 11:28:54 AM

I'm glad they didnt go for Super Blue 2 and 3 at least. Super Blue Moe is adorable. tongue

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#38429: Dec 22nd 2020 at 11:44:38 AM

[up][up]I believe that all the transformations outside of Super Saiyan do take up some stamina to transform into it’s just that 3 and Blue are the only ones who can actually drain it at a quicker rate

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#38430: Dec 22nd 2020 at 11:46:29 AM

I think a mistake a lot of fans make is to think Gohan is the main character.

But Gohan is clearly the main focus of the French dub's opening. Are you saying the French dub LIED to me?

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#38431: Dec 22nd 2020 at 11:50:06 AM

Wait till number 2 is rebriannes transformation and ui is an honorable mention as a technique

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#38432: Dec 22nd 2020 at 11:56:12 AM

What is the one form that literally every single character except Super Broly has, at some point or another, rocked in their character history through this series?

DBS Broly has Super Saiyan 1. He went SS1 in response to his dad dying, and it wasn't until he was fighting Gogeta in that mirror dimension that he went LSS.

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#38433: Dec 22nd 2020 at 12:07:45 PM

If that even is LSSJ, I still think it's just him combining his Oozaru power up with SSJ.

I think the official explanation is that it's just Full Powered Super Saiyan, and the director wanted to homage the original movie so they made it green.

Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#38434: Dec 22nd 2020 at 12:10:01 PM

Officially he just went SSJ and his green form wasn’t even in the script but the director figured that Broly should have his iconic transformation so he added it an as the reason Gogeta needed to go Blue

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#38435: Dec 22nd 2020 at 12:15:16 PM

If that even is LSSJ, I still think it's just him combining his Oozaru power up with SSJ.

Super Broly went Super Saiyan 4 CONFIRMED.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#38436: Dec 22nd 2020 at 12:18:34 PM

It would explain why the form feels like an afterthought; there's no fanfare to it, just Broly just gets bigger and that's that.

I commend them from giving his normal Super Saiyan form more significance tho, because he really didn't need the second transformation, as iconic as it is.

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#38437: Dec 22nd 2020 at 12:25:41 PM

Also apropos of nothing I just want to note that Kirran is right, Super Saiyan 4 looks awesome and I love the aesthetic.

It's not just a celebration of what it is to be a Saiyan. It's also a celebration of Goku's roots. Out of every transformation Goku ever acquired in any media, Super Saiyan 4 is the one that most looks like a super form that Sun Wukong, the Monkey King, would take on. The design is killer and harkens back to what Goku has, all this time, been an adaptation of.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 22nd 2020 at 12:26:08 PM

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#38439: Dec 22nd 2020 at 6:25:05 PM

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Agreed.

Definitely the latter. It's Toriyama's writing style. He doesn't really value divergent character evolution; things that make the stats go up are better, period.

This is how just how Toriyama writes. Being a fighter is a single-minded pursuit of better stats.

I mean, it kinda makes sense: why bother with some fancy technique when just punching harder gets you the same results. I think Toriyama is just more of a Boring, but Practical type dude. His philosophy is keeping things as simple as possible, and he applies that to everything.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Dec 22nd 2020 at 7:40:31 AM

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#38440: Dec 22nd 2020 at 6:30:53 PM

I mean, TFS talked about that in their entry for Freeza.

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#38441: Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:17:29 AM

Number #2: it's the transformation/technique that gave us the ultimate banger known as "Ultimate Battle", Migatte no Gokui(Essence of Egoism)note 

Edited by jouXIII on Dec 23rd 2020 at 6:22:52 PM

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#38442: Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:25:44 AM

My satisfaction, as a fan of Super, is off-the-motherfucking-charts right now waii

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#38443: Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:29:28 AM

Yea, we all called it. But Ultra Instinct being so high up is nothing but a testament to ho good the form is.

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#38444: Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:32:26 AM

Its a bit of a shame that it seems most of the marks against it is aestheics rather than the other aspects, but oh well. SSJ 1's legacy may have been too much to topple this time.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#38445: Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:34:59 AM

Its a shame too because manga gets rid of their main issue with the form by getting rid of the aura entirely. But I do agree, Silver doesn't complement Goku's look the way the gold from Super Saiyan does.

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#38446: Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:38:26 AM

They had to color the hair to signify it as a transformation.

Though if you look at the comments, Kaiser has one clarifying that the Manga does call UI a technique which by all accounts invalidates UI as a contender but then who really cares, it's freaking transformation.

Think it this way, if it is a technique, then why is UI Goku his own character in Fighterz? Why don't we have a Kaioken Goku huh?

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#38447: Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:40:38 AM

That just leaves the obvious pick for number one. I am, of course, referring to Jawbreaker Vegetto! All the power, itty-bitty size. Jawbreaker Vegetto is nearly impossible to defend against!

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#38448: Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:42:13 AM

What does he taste like?

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#38449: Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:46:58 AM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#38450: Dec 23rd 2020 at 8:47:25 AM

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