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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#38201: Dec 18th 2020 at 12:06:57 PM

I'm guessing SS 4 is the next one, can't see it being any higher.

Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#38202: Dec 18th 2020 at 12:12:33 PM

Frankly I’d put it up above the likes of Freiza’s transformations (which they alluded to being on the list)

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#38203: Dec 18th 2020 at 12:12:38 PM

I could see Cell's forms being next, then S Sj 4.

After that'd it'd probably be SSJ 2 > Ultra Instinct > Frieza's Forms > SSJ 1

Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#38204: Dec 18th 2020 at 12:18:27 PM

I think Cell’s going to outrank Frieza on the basis of his transformations actually being a big part of the plot compared to Frieza’s

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#38205: Dec 18th 2020 at 12:26:45 PM

Of note: they probably aren't going to lump Frieza's and Cell's forms together like they did with Buu's absorptions. They noted that Buu's absorptions were a bit rule-bendy of a pick specifically because they work very differently from other transformations. It's called out in the video itself as an exception to the rules.

I expect we'll see Final Form Frieza and Perfect Cell specifically on the list.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 18th 2020 at 12:27:56 PM

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#38206: Dec 18th 2020 at 12:43:02 PM

Frankly I’d put it up above the likes of Freiza’s transformations

Freeza's transformations are far more iconic and significant to the series though.

Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#38207: Dec 18th 2020 at 12:45:08 PM

Two of them are commonly forgotten by the cultural zeitgeist, they do very little to serve the plot outside of resetting the battle to give Frieza the advantage again and as a whole they receive minimal build up.

[down] I mean how much do you see people talking about the second one?

Edited by Pokesamus on Dec 18th 2020 at 1:58:55 AM

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#38208: Dec 18th 2020 at 1:04:06 PM

That only applies to 3rd form, which is generally the least popular.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#38209: Dec 18th 2020 at 1:22:53 PM

It's gonna be Freeza's final form, but I hope they give it a shout-out to Golden Freeza if only for that transformation scene in Super.

Which was a real highlight, as Freeza has been in general, really.

Who knew two extended stays in Hell could glow up a dude so much?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#38210: Dec 18th 2020 at 1:27:24 PM

Frieza had more potential than anyone else in the universe.

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#38211: Dec 18th 2020 at 1:42:57 PM

I feel like unless Kaiser's/Kirran's love for Super Saiyan 4 fudges the numbers, the top 3 will be Perfect Cell, Frieza's final form, and Super Saiyan 1 respectively.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Dec 18th 2020 at 4:53:15 AM

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#38212: Dec 18th 2020 at 1:44:06 PM

Kirren, Kirren is the one that loves SSJ 4.

And probably Kaiser as well, him being the sort of furry the form is baiting.

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#38213: Dec 18th 2020 at 3:28:13 PM

In another situation I might agree with you, but Super Saiyan 4, while you could argue the aesthetics, makes a fair amount of sense as to why it makes the user go all Monkey mode. Saiyan's have turned into giant death monkeys since literally Dragon Ball (before Saiyan's were a thing even!), and Super Saiyan 4 is basically just deciding that the ultimate form of a Saiyan is to be a Super Saiyan death monkey, hold the giant. Certainly makes more sense than SSJ 3 feeding your eyebrows and likely the rest of your hair to your head.

Edited by Alfric on Dec 18th 2020 at 3:28:59 AM

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#38214: Dec 18th 2020 at 3:32:21 PM

I prefer the Wrathful State interpretation of it.

And the caveman thing works better on you consider that a caveman is a more "primitive" human, and the whole "humans have evolved from monkeys" thing.

Which is BS, obviously, but it's an oddly persistent idea.

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#38215: Dec 18th 2020 at 3:39:00 PM

Nu Broly's Wrathful form also seemed like an advancement of great ape.

Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#38216: Dec 18th 2020 at 3:50:26 PM

I mean it’s basically Great Ape, hold the ape.

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#38217: Dec 18th 2020 at 3:56:37 PM

I did like the concept behind Super Saiyan 4. The idea that the ultimate Saiyan power is unlocked by combining the Oozaru and Super Saiyan forms does make logical sense.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38218: Dec 18th 2020 at 4:00:19 PM

Yeah. And Broly's wrathful form still kinda takes that concept into account, he just doesn't bother with the physical transformation, which to be fair, fits Toriyama's style of keeping things simple.

I'm still mad he got rid of the tail though, even though why it happened makes sense in universe (Paragus was afraid he'd get rekt if his already uncontrollable son transformed into an even more uncontrollable giant monkey), because....well, I love the tails, and I miss them.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#38219: Dec 18th 2020 at 4:33:43 PM

"humans have evolved from monkeys" thing.

Which is BS, obviously, but it's an oddly persistent idea.

I mean, we ARE monkeys, so our ancestors are monkeys; monkeys in the strict sense start at the most recent common ancestor of capuchins and guenons, and functionally everything closer to those than to tarsiers is a monkey as well.

Not a descendant of any modern monkey in any case, they have been evolving for the same time as we have, and are an equally valid part of the radiation.

In any case, "humans have evolved from monkeys" being BS IS the persistent piece of misunderstood evolution. We are bonafide apes, which are bonafide monkeys, which are bonafide primates.

BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#38220: Dec 18th 2020 at 6:22:52 PM

[up] Yep, "monkey" as a taxonomic category excluding apes is misleading, just like "reptile" as a category excluding birds. And somewhere in our evolutionary history there surely is a tailed simian that would be recognized as a species of monkey.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#38221: Dec 18th 2020 at 7:24:36 PM

Stem hominoids (if Proconsul is one) seem to be akin to tailless monkeys rather than tailed apes, but, tail loss is very common in primates anyway (hell, the type monkey to science and the first one known in Europe, the Barbary macaque, lacks a tail).

But yeah, apes are monkeys, birds are reptiles, snakes are lizards, whales are ungulates, and single-character dichotomies tend to ignore ancestral vs derived characters.

Anyway, Freeza's transformations, Zarbon nonwithstanding, establish the whole "transforming villain" deal, but aren't really as central to the narrative as Cell's. Freeza starts as a huge alligator in a tiny pond, and it turns out he was still stronger and nobody outside of Goku going Super Saiyan after becoming 375 times stronger than he was the previous month had a chance.

Cell's transformations felt like turning points; not "just kidding I'm still stronger", but rather as subversions of what was on the way of a victory.

Still hoping to see both in the middle of super saiyans, weresaiyans and silver haired hax.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#38222: Dec 18th 2020 at 7:51:57 PM

I feel like the difference in tone between Freezer's transformations and Cells is that Freeza can transform whenever he wants- he was never LOSING, per se, because he could have always just gone up to the next level. Meanwhile, Cell genuinely was getting his ass kicked by Vegeta until he got from semi-perfect to perfect.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#38223: Dec 18th 2020 at 8:04:28 PM

He was also in a deadlock versus 16, who had the advantage of being an infinite energy model that also couldn't be absorbed.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#38224: Dec 18th 2020 at 8:08:19 PM

All right, I forget about that part. If Lapis and Lazuli had just done what he asked, 16 could have just worn down Cell by virtue of never tiring the same way that 17 would have eventually prevailed against Piccolo.

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#38225: Dec 18th 2020 at 10:11:43 PM

  • Cell: GAHHH!!! What are you made of?! Pure metal?!
  • 16: Affirmative. I am Android 16.
  • Cell: ...oh! Errors have been made.

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