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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#38076: Dec 14th 2020 at 3:34:10 AM

Ehh. I couldn't see them making Buu anything but childlike, and that just wouldnt sit right in that context.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#38077: Dec 14th 2020 at 3:38:28 AM

Wait, what

I could see them playing up Hercule becoming a housewife. And Videl suddenly having two dads. But Hercule straight up had a wife named Migu...

...ok I could see it working.

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#38078: Dec 14th 2020 at 3:40:06 AM

Literally, the first real interaction Buu has with a random civilian is to flirt with a woman. When she rejects him out of fear, he looks at a magazine and re-shapes his face to look like Barry Khan to make himself more attractive.

This was in the manga, Buu is not completely innocent in this regard.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#38079: Dec 14th 2020 at 3:48:49 AM

And he still spends most of his time acting like an actual child.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#38080: Dec 14th 2020 at 4:03:24 AM

Wait a minute Barry Khan, that filler guy from Super, he was the guy Buu took the appearance of? Wow.

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#38081: Dec 14th 2020 at 5:58:30 AM

I'm so used seeing Satan and Buu as being akin to father and child that the idea really weirds me out, ngl.

But eh, maybe they could make it work.

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#38082: Dec 14th 2020 at 6:26:03 AM

[up][up]Yeah, the filler guy in Super was neither filler nor introduced in Super.

[up]I always saw their relationship as more like Satan was Buu's servant, but I was looking around Youtube for Mr. Satan AMVS and found this one, which makes quite a compelling case:

And that made me realize that TFS would probably take their relationship in this direction, if they ever got around to adapting the Buu Saga.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Dec 14th 2020 at 7:35:18 AM

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#38083: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:29:39 AM

That said, it's consistent with Frieza's behavior to this point. Frieza can't sense ki and effectively has to try and eyeball battle powers. His forms are power limiters; he has trouble controlling his full power and that's the only reason he uses transformations in the first place. He's not trying to, like, be a good sport and keep the competition fair or anything. He transforms, not because he necessarily needs to, but because he feels the slightest bit insecure about the possibility of the others catching up.

When he transformed to his Second Form, he was already over twice Vegeta's battle power. He didn't have to transform. But he didn't have a way of actually measuring that. Vegeta was strong enough to make Scouter Go Splooey and was goading him about unleashing his full power, so Frieza relented.

When he transformed to his Third Form, Piccolo had arrived and demonstrated himself to be surprisingly capable. Frieza got his second wind and put Piccolo's face in the dirt, but then Piccolo suggested he'd been sandbagging. Frieza called him a bluffing liar.... but then he transformed anyway just in case.

And then Gohan's Masenko happened. Once again, he was startled and surprised by how strong the others were, and even though they weren't actually a threat to him, Frieza got a little freaked out and transformed, just to be safe.

Nobody really pushed Frieza until Goku arrived, but they did keep doing well enough to make Frieza get nervous about the battle power he was presently at.

Oh right. I forgot to take Frieza's inability to read battle powers into account when taking in his actions. It's not just sadism on his part. Like, yes, he wants to torture them by revealing they were always totally fucked, but him not being able to tell how strong they really are means he's has no clue how much they have in reserve. So he plays it safe by just unlocking more true potential via his transformations.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#38084: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:33:38 AM

[up] [up] He was so filler, and he wasn't given a speaking role until Super as far as I know.

Edited by FOFD on Dec 14th 2020 at 7:33:55 AM

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#38085: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:35:12 AM

I do hope Golden Great Ape makes it on there. It's a very cool, logical transformation.

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Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#38086: Dec 14th 2020 at 7:58:46 AM

Doubt it, the thing only served as a stepping stone for the main transformation of the arc.

BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#38087: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:11:59 AM

[up][up][up] Buu mimicking that guy's face from the magazine cover is not filler, if you define filler as scenes that were added only for the anime. Barry Khan technically existed in the manga, is what I think PMC is getting at.

Edited by BOOXMOWO on Dec 14th 2020 at 12:12:11 PM

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#38088: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:20:13 AM

Yeah, that's what I was saying.

But also, there is no filler in Super because it's not an adaptation, there is no such thing as filler in anime-original shows.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#38089: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:28:35 AM

To my understanding filler is anything that's not particularly plot-relevant.

Barry's appearance in Super was an arc where Gohan was being the Great Saiyaman. You can remove this arc and not much if anything changes. Hence, Filler Villain aka guy.

Even if it's that not completely accurate point still being he had the staying power of a filler antagonist. He's not really a serious or relevant threat.

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#38090: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:30:39 AM

No, filler is exclusively a term that refers to original stories inserted into an adaptation for the purpose of buying time. Any other definition of filler, as it relates to media, is invalid.

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#38091: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:31:44 AM

The relationship between the Super anime and Super manga is super weird. They're both technically the original version as each is an interpretation of some notes Toriyama gave to the two separate creators.

There's a thing in Hollywood where sometimes a spec script will be picked up by two different studios who will start developing their own version of the same script, resulting in two different yet suspiciously similar movies coming out in a short span of time. For instance, Armageddon and Deep Impact are two films that grew out of the same script.

The two versions of Super are more like sibling films than they are like a typical anime/manga "Original/Adaptation" relationship. Toriyama wrote out the bullet points, Toei made their version, Toyotaro made his version.

But Toei's version does still have their own fluff stories that aren't from the notes slipped in between the arcs. Maybe it's not necessarily appropriate to call that "filler" since their anime isn't an adaptation of the manga, but. Like. That's what it is. It's exactly the same as the filler stuff they added to their Dragon Ball and Z animes.

Toei has their Toei-isms, and the little slice-of-life stories and mini-adventures inserted between and sometimes during arcs is one of them. There isn't really a word for it other than filler, and it'd be weird if Super filler required a different word than DB and DBZ filler when it's the same stuff.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 14th 2020 at 8:33:38 AM

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Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#38092: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:34:12 AM

No, filler is exclusively a term that refers to original stories inserted into an adaptation for the purpose of buying time.

It really isn't.

FOFD's definition is correct, any serialized work can have filler episodes. The Mandalorian has filler episodes, Avatar: The Last Airbender has filler episodes...

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#38093: Dec 14th 2020 at 8:39:45 AM

[up]People have heavily misused the term filler over the years. But it's not a correct usage.

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#38095: Dec 14th 2020 at 9:33:16 AM

Best Buu is fit Buu.

Worst Buu is sleeepy Buu.

Both Super forms tongue

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#38096: Dec 14th 2020 at 9:36:57 AM

I like how each of them have a different Buu form that they like.

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#38097: Dec 14th 2020 at 9:47:24 AM

I know this is a really minor issue, but I'm glad that the thumbnails aren't spoiling the video, which I recall was an issue in years previews.

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#38098: Dec 14th 2020 at 10:00:49 AM

Seriously, though, for all the flaws of his arc, Majin Buu is an underrated joy. I love how each version of Buu is kinda their own character. Fat Buu = innocent joy in need of someone to teach him a moral compass. Super Buu = GRUMPY CAVEMAN WANT FIGHT NOW. Super Buu after beginning to absorb characters = Even MORE Perfecter Cell. Pure Buu = unknowable alien horror destroys and kills for seemingly no reason.

Majin Buu isn't a villain. He's multiple villains. Unlike all the other transformations in the series, whenever Buu transforms, you're dealing with a wildly different character afterwards. Also, Perfect Cell Buu being absolutedly terrified of turning into Eldritch Horror Buu is one of the best setups to a transformation in the series. Even Majin Buu is afraid of Pure Buu.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 14th 2020 at 10:03:21 AM

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#38099: Dec 14th 2020 at 10:10:41 AM

[up]

I never thought of it that way before, but you have a point.

As for me, I rather like Kid / Pure Buu myself. He just loves his work, and is so upfront about it. The others were evil, but had goals to some extent. Frieza clearly liked being evil, but was somewhat low key about it. Cell was arguably made of evil (well, he was made of a lot of things, but Saiyan fight boners combined with Frieza DNA—PHRASING!—is just two bad things that created a horrific bug monster together), but was also rather subdued about his clear enjoyment of making people suffer (since it served a purpose for the most part). but Pure Buu is clearly having the time of his life wrecking people. Destruction is his business, and business is extremely lucrative. Plus, that fight between Fat and Pure Buu is one of the craziest fights in the series. Two nigh indestructible bubble gum monsters beating each other senseless until one tires out while throwing everything in their respective arsenals at each other is something I never knew I wanted to be honest.

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#38100: Dec 14th 2020 at 10:26:08 AM

I think it's not entirely fair to characterize Super Buu as just More Perfecter Cell. In terms of personality, he still has the most important Buu trademarks: immaturity and love of candy. He gets a bit smarter over time, but even Buuhan still uses Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack and does a happy dance with a middle finger when he absorbs Vegetto. Base Super Buu also isn't stupid, just not very articulate, he does a good amount of scheming to trick Gotenks into forming so that he can absorb him. I also love Super Buu just casually drinking a root beer float out of nowhere while Gotenks is celebrating his first successful usage of Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack. In my mind, Super Buu is more like if Fat Buu was just an asshole. Just a real abrasive dickhead, but still the same character at his core.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Dec 14th 2020 at 11:27:26 AM


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