I get it from them no single person in official capacity ever making a comment on canon. It's a western concept, to begin with.
And they screwed up the placement of the movie in the timeline. Videl is pregnant with Pan, which means it takes place at least 5 years after Z, but Bills has been asleep for 39 years and was asleep during Planet Vegeta's destruction, meaning the movie is at most 2 years after Z. They don't match up. Bulma's and Mai's ages also don't match up with either placement.
Was it ever explicitly stated that they stayed in the snow for all three years without ever leaving for a minute?
As I said, the Super Saiyan thing can easily be written off as simple Plot Induced Stupidity, and "character X didn't use Y technique to win the battle until the very end" applies to a lot of things. Plus, this exact same thing happens in a lot of other movies, and I don't see anyone saying that it's proof that the characters hadn't mastered the Super Saiyan forms in those movies.
On the tail... our Non-Serial Movie page says
However, his response when trunks asks him if he can transform into a Super Saiyan at will is "Most of the time", implying he didn't have complete control over it yet.
Is that true?
Anyway, if there is apparently no canon, I don't see why you keep trying to go out of your way to say what is or isn't canon? If there is no official canon, isn't there just what the individual viewer wants to think of as canon?
edited 29th Mar '13 8:47:16 PM by CPFMfan
...Daizenshuu 7 openly says that Cooler's movie doesn't fit in the timeline, because of those reasons. So I'm just drawing on that.
There's no official canon, but there are definitions of the word "canon". When not dealing with religious texts, that definition is "the authentic works of a writer". We know that describes the manga, and almost nothing else. Other works aren't considered canon because there is no official word of them being canon.
What I can't wrap my head around is why people want something to be canon because they like it.
edited 29th Mar '13 8:48:23 PM by Saiga
Problem is, so long as something doesn't completely contradict Canon at all, it can be considered canon.
I don't see what you're getting so frustrated for.
Watch SymphogearLike, I'm not sure if that definition of the word describes what I intended when using it, which would mean I was using he word incorrectly.
Maybe "in continuity" would better describe what I mea, bu I'm not sure. Need to sleep on this one.
edited 29th Mar '13 8:51:04 PM by Enlong
I have a message from another time...Something being able to fit doesn't make it canon, otherwise Bojack Unbound and Wrath of the Dragon are canon.
Canon isn't about what fits without contradictions, it's about what's officially part of the series as considered by the author, and not just a spinoff or side story. Noncanon things can fit without contradiction, and canon can contradict itself if poorly written. Fitting has nothing to do with being canon.
And this movie was NEVER stated to be part of the story. It just has more involvement from AT than the previous 13 movies.
edited 29th Mar '13 9:03:24 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Your the ones who are trying to twist it! Here's one of the damn interview with the man.
You're the only ones who are trying to say its not really part of the story.
Seriously you two are the only ones.
edited 29th Mar '13 9:29:19 PM by Saya1
You look happy, I can change that if you want.
I am not just talking about this site and there have been other people that disagreed with you they just did not keep it up. As for the interview he clearly considers himself the creator and it part of story he just does not say it outright.
edited 29th Mar '13 9:37:04 PM by Saya1
You look happy, I can change that if you want.Since there are people here that do not seem to understand what canon mean, let me provide an analogy. The movies, anime-filler, and GT are to the manga what the apocryphal texts are to The Bible. In this analogy, Team Four Star's Dragon Ball Abridged would be the LOL Cat Bible.

They made jokes about Pan? I only remember them joking about the Para Para Bros.
And the Baby arc is actually considered one of the better parts of GT, you may be thinking of the Black Star Dragon Ball arc, which is before that (The first 16 episodes or so). The Baby arc is when they started getting serious rather than trying to just emulate the original Dragon Ball IN SPACE.
edited 29th Mar '13 7:51:50 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!