That time joke is because the in the android saga it's never shown to be night even though time is clearly passing.
It's never dark out at all until the 10 days to the Cell games...
Specifically Trunks and Veggie spend their entire first day and it's never shown to be night time by the time they come out.
Edited by randomness4 on Mar 1st 2020 at 1:22:23 AM
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It's not clear in the anime...
There's no sense of time passing in the anime, so the only indicator that it's been a day is when they exit the room and that's including all the events that happen during Piccoro fighting 17, then Cell showing up, fighting 16, absorbing 17, then Ten blasting Cell, Kakarrot saving his friends from Cell...just all of that is done without any clear indicator of how much time passed.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Vegeta and Trunks's 24-hour training in the RoSaT kinda has the inverse issue of Frieza's infamous "Five Minutes". What transpires during that 24-hour period is that the Androids find Kame House, Piccolo fights 17, Cell shows up and absorbs 17, and then Tenshinhan does his thing.
That's it. That is literally all that goes down in the outside world while Vegeta and Trunks are training in the RoSaT.
Given that the entirety of action between Piccolo starting his fight with 17 and Vegeta emerging from the RoSaT would logically be like an hour, maybe two, this means that over 20 hours passed offscreen between "Vegeta enters RoSaT" and "Piccolo watching news at Kame House and screaming obscenities at Cell".
That's not unthinkable, mind you. But it's a bit jarring, given that the series does little to indicate the passage of such a significant amount of time. Which is how the Abridged wound up giving us lines like Krillin's, "JESUS, how long did we sleep?!"
Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 2nd 2020 at 8:18:54 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.At least in the Abridged series, there is a passage of time - Goku picks up Gohan while he's on the plane (And Krillin & Piccolo are there too), teleports to go get Vegeta and Trunks, they all go to the lookout, Vegeta and Trunks enter the chamber.
Next shot of Krillin he's at Kamehouse asleep. Which means Krillin and Co flew there (at plane speeds) and then had enough time to sleep. So it's perfectly possible that yeah, Krillin slept like 20 hours. Heck assume a 12 hour plane ride and it makes perfect sense (Except why they'd put up with a 12 hour plane ride when they can all do the distance in a few minutes).
It IS a jarring cut because yeah, a whole day vanished.
Edited by Ghilz on Mar 2nd 2020 at 10:41:57 AM
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Toriyama(obviously) refers to Toriyama Akira.
Dinosaur riding a ball comes from lyrics of Cha-La-Head-Cha-La:
恐竜がいたら 玉乗り仕込みたいね, Kyōryū ga itara tamanori shikomitai ne(If there’s a dinosaur, I want to train it to balance on a ball)
I assure you, I'm perfectly trustable personIt's weird they were even flying the plane at all since they weren't transporting Kakarrot anymore...
They were too busy doing this...
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Dinosaur riding a ball comes from lyrics of Cha-La-Head-Cha-La:
恐竜がいたら 玉乗り仕込みたいね, Kyōryū ga itara tamanori shikomitai ne(If there’s a dinosaur, I want to train it to balance on a ball)
Also, the "tori" in Toriyama means "bird". Toriyama opened Bird Studios as a play on this.
Thus, the bird Toriyama who teaches a dinosaur to ride a ball. It's a complicated joke.
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Even though I understand the reference fully doesn't mean I understand why the reference was made.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.Even though I understand the reference fully doesn't mean I understand why the reference was made.
Genius Bonus, I suppose.
The actual scene itself works just fine without context, I thought. I didn't understand its meaning when I first saw it either, but the overall gag still worked for me.
In the Frieza arc, Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan because Frieza murdered his best friend Krillin. It's an inspirational scene of Goku summoning up the heroic strength needed to finally end Frieza's reign of terror.
In the Cooler movie, Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan because a random bird died for some reason. And then he Jesus Christs the bird back to life in the process.
This scene is gibberish, framed in an inspirational manner. And so Goku delivers words that are pure gibberish, but voiced in an inspirational way. He speaks utter nonsense as though he's saying something that has some sort of deep, significant meaning, because that's what the scene is.
Goku also proceeds to straight up rip off his own candy reference from the Frieza fight afterwards, when showing off his power.
When fighting Frieza, Goku grabbed and crushed his hands while telling him, "I'm going to break you. Like a Kit Kat Bar."
When fighting Cooler, Goku No Sells Cooler's attack with the exchange,
- Goku: Not going anywhere?
- Cooler: (punch)
- Goku: Grab a Snickers.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 2nd 2020 at 12:40:44 PM
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They love him.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.So is there an actual thought there, or just stating facts...?
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Huh, was he? I got the impression he was a lesser model to 17 & 18.
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Just reminiscing the discussion about why didn’t Gero give himself infinite energy if it was superior. The Doylist reason was laid out clearly, I was wondering about the Watsonian reason by finding the common thread.
throws that out completely.
I mean, energy absorption is probably better for fighting the Z Fighters.
Sure it won't have the raw power, but the Androids were already insane levels of overkill as far as Gero was concerned. The big issue in the past is that people have specialized ki attacks that let them hit above their weight. Imagine if Raditz could have absorbed the Special Beam Cannon... or if the Spirit Bomb or Goku's Kaioken Kamehameha actually made Vegeta stronger.
A reduction in power (to only "way the fuck stronger than we have any need to be) for the sake of nullifying the heroes best attacks seems worth it.
Edited by Larkmarn on Mar 3rd 2020 at 9:14:06 AM
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.It's only worth it if that reduction in power doesn't push them below the "totally f*cked" threshold.
Fans love the idea behind the energy absorption models, but Vegeta aptly demonstrates the flaw in the concept. Android 19 gets a nice surprise absorption in during his fight with Goku, but the element of surprise only lasts so long. After that, 19 is forced to get into grappling range with someone powerful enough to tear off his arms by sheer brute force. And that doesn't go so well for him.
The absorption models run afoul of the fundamental flaw in building your entire strategy around a trap. Once you've revealed your hand, you can't put the trap back in the box. "If you use a Kamehameha, you will make me far more powerful than I am now." Cool, good to know. Then I just won't do that, and will instead beat you to death with my bare hands.
The Androids don't have an answer for the obvious response to their one cool trick. And that pretty much doomed them from the outset.
Against a Super Saiyan that is prepared for it, the absorption models are demonstrably ineffectual. Against a Super Saiyan unprepared for it, it's inconclusive; Goku's sudden onset heart illness makes it difficult to discern how that fight would have played out.
But the best case scenario is still that 19 kills Goku and then still gets trashed by Vegeta. It's a neat trick that only works one time and then afterwards you're completely f*cked.
By contrast, Android 18 didn't have a cool trick at all. Despite this, she successfully managed to brutalize Vegeta and leave him a broken waste on the ground.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 3rd 2020 at 8:47:25 AM
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Yeah, but that's where we get into the "what the f*ck is Namek" thing, where Gero's absorption bots were already way more powerful than anything in the known universe that could exist. These things were more powerful than Freeza for some reason.
You can't really fault the guy for not having foreseen the whole Super Saiyan bit, and sacrificing raw power for more strategic utility.

Lingering questions from DBZA:
Edited by Soble on Mar 1st 2020 at 6:10:54 AM
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