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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#3726: Mar 28th 2013 at 11:41:57 PM

Everything in the manga is canon to Dragon Ball. Things only in the anime are canon to the anime adaption of Dragon Ball. Movies are side stories independent of canon, regardless of whether they fit or not. GT is essentially a very very long movie in regard to canon.

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#3727: Mar 28th 2013 at 11:52:00 PM

[up] That's more about continuity.

[up][up] There's simply no reason to make it more complicated than that.

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#3728: Mar 29th 2013 at 12:55:08 AM

It IS rather narrow minded definition though tongue

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#3729: Mar 29th 2013 at 1:04:13 AM

It isn't narrow-minded at all. It's the only way to define it without giving yourself a massive headache, and it's not narrow-minded to go with what doesn't cause huge problems.

edited 29th Mar '13 1:04:51 AM by Saiga

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#3730: Mar 29th 2013 at 8:57:14 AM

I don't think it's only he manga. It's just that the manga is the ting most consistently written by Toriyama. There are movies that Toriyama didn't write, and ones that he did, like the semi-recen one with Vegeta's brother. Similarly, his story for Dragonball Online contradicts GT, which isn't really in continuity.

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#3731: Mar 29th 2013 at 12:41:21 PM

If we're talking in internet-debate OBD terms, then yes, "canon" material consists solely of the manga, the exception being if the work in question follows the manga so thoroughly it might as well be the manga (ex: One Piece anime).

Personally, I've always felt that so long as it doesn't outright contradict the manga then it's allowed to count as canon. For example, Cooler never shows up in the manga, but that doesn't necessarily negate his existence.

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#3732: Mar 29th 2013 at 2:16:40 PM

But the Cooler movie can't really go anywhere, can it? Well, unless it's part of the gap of time beween Trunks landing and the Android attack beginning, but I dunno.

As to the One Piece anime, there are some filler arcs, and the majority of the movies aren't canon, with the exception of Strong World.

edited 29th Mar '13 2:17:36 PM by Enlong

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#3733: Mar 29th 2013 at 3:33:13 PM

It could take place in the android training. From what I've seen, the only thing that keeps it from being placed there is one minor case of plot induced stupidity that is present in every single movie.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#3734: Mar 29th 2013 at 3:43:08 PM

You refer to Goku taking forever to go Super Saiyan even though he should have mastered it by that point, I presume?

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#3735: Mar 29th 2013 at 3:51:23 PM

Yeah. If youtube is accurate then he and the others do the same thing in Movie 7 and Movie 9.

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#3736: Mar 29th 2013 at 4:08:00 PM

Meta Cooler, which admittedly was much worse, would still be out of canon, then.

Not that that's much of a loss.

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#3737: Mar 29th 2013 at 4:10:27 PM

I like Meta-Cooler, even if his movie has a really stupid plothole (Seriously, why did Vegeta just show up out of absolutely nowhere?).

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#3738: Mar 29th 2013 at 4:28:38 PM

I like the chance to see Cooler. I'm just offput by "What the fuck did non-Guru Namekians do to mess up their karma so bad? Why the unusual choice in away team? Where did Vegeta come from? How did they get a win?"

edited 29th Mar '13 4:28:56 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#3739: Mar 29th 2013 at 5:26:00 PM

No, the Cooler movie doesn't fit anywhere. Goku, Gohan and Piccolo spent the 3 years training in the snow, and Goku could control his Super Saiyan form when he couldn't in the movie. Also Gohan didn't have a tail at this point.

@Enlong No, that was written by Naho Ooishi.

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#3740: Mar 29th 2013 at 5:30:00 PM

Hmm... since it didn't make a difference in the long run, one could forget the tail scene, and set the movie either in the snow, or set the training closer to the wilderness but still in the middle of nowhere.

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#3741: Mar 29th 2013 at 5:57:44 PM

[up][up]

..."That" meaning the OVA, or Dragonball Online?

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#3742: Mar 29th 2013 at 6:35:21 PM

The OVA. We don't know who does the storyline writing for DBO. We know AT did some character designs and signs off on everything they add into the game.

edited 29th Mar '13 6:36:11 PM by Saiga

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#3743: Mar 29th 2013 at 6:38:58 PM

Why is Bardock in DBO? Is he a Canon Immigrant?

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#3744: Mar 29th 2013 at 6:41:19 PM

Toriyama liked the Father of Goku movie and wrote one or two flashbacks involving him into the manga. And he later did the Episode of Bardock manga one-shot.

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#3745: Mar 29th 2013 at 6:46:12 PM

[up] You mean Naho Ooishi did the one-shot.

[up][up] Bardock appeared briefly in the manga. Also, DBO isn't deliberately a manga-only follow up, they just didn't get the rights for anime/movie stuff. As he appeared in the manga, they can use him.

edited 29th Mar '13 6:47:08 PM by Saiga

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#3746: Mar 29th 2013 at 7:32:50 PM

I came here to talk about DBZA not the canonocity of bleach/one piece/DBGT. Does anyone else wonder what TFS will do with DBGT when they get there in 23 years?

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#3747: Mar 29th 2013 at 7:37:46 PM

I actually wouldn't mind if they abridged GT, it's rife with things they could have fun with, like Vegeta's moustache, the shadow dragons, the sheer stupidity surrounding the entire Super Android 17 part...

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#3748: Mar 29th 2013 at 7:38:56 PM

And at the last scene, Vegeta turns the TV off.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#3749: Mar 29th 2013 at 7:40:25 PM

Eis Shenron could be an ice cream man.

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#3750: Mar 29th 2013 at 7:48:57 PM

They have already made jokes about pan, the para para brothers, and probably other things i'm missing. There is/was a DBGTA on You Tube i think it got taken down though; it was mediocre to mildly amusing, so I'm sure TFS could do wonders with the retardedness of the whole baby arc and the trunks cross-dressing thing for that mole rat dude.

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