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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#37376: Feb 16th 2020 at 4:55:12 PM

Specifically what wigs me out is 'I should have made the decision for them'. Because, well, no, that's not what he should've done. It would've been a bad move to force them to close the book on DBZA without knowing for sure that they couldn't do it. Just as it was a mistake to make them commit to season 4 being a thing despite not being certain it was going to happen.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#37377: Feb 16th 2020 at 5:28:06 PM

And that's all that comes from TFS in that context.

I don't want to stir drama up, but, yeah, love project is love project. I get the feeling Ben was pragmatic in the part that should had been idealistic (content perspectives), and idealistic in the part that should had been pragmatic (company goals).

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#37378: Feb 18th 2020 at 10:43:51 AM

Basically, things might go belly up for them if they can't find a new consistent source of production now that they've cancelled abridged.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#37379: Feb 18th 2020 at 11:18:02 AM

[up][up] I mean, I feel like he just said the same thing: the reason why TFS made the work is different from the reason the audience responded to the work. The fact that the audience ever responded to the work in the first place was something of a happy accident.

Which is a fine thing when you're making art for art's sake, working on your novel in the evenings or jamming out with your garage band on the weekends or whatever. It's less fine when you're expecting your audience to support your business so you can keep signing your employees' paychecks.

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#37380: Feb 18th 2020 at 12:57:04 PM

I think that's a statement who's a lot less easy to make about an entire audience than a single person. people enjoy thing for different reasons. The matter isn't whether or not some people liked TFS's approach to abrdiging, (it's not like the feedback on the series got worse over time), but whether there are enough of those people to support them.

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#37381: Feb 18th 2020 at 1:12:17 PM

Sure, but the response wasn't, "Well, we understand that some segments of the audience would have preferred a more regular release schedule, but other segments really responded more strongly to a perfectionist, 'it's done when it's done' approach."

That response might even have been true, but that wasn't the response they gave. The response was, "We're not thinking about what the audience needs. We're thinking about what we need. This isn't about the audience, this is about us."

That's not a great mindset to have right when you're shutting down your flagship show and hoping to find something else the audience will respond as strongly to.

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 18th 2020 at 1:18:37 AM

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#37382: Feb 18th 2020 at 1:53:18 PM

Yeah, i can see where you're going - I want to say that it's pretty normal for them as human beings to fail at making that move in the position they are, that this is a very human mistake, in short, but I also agree that what you said would be the actually smart thing to do.

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#37383: Feb 18th 2020 at 1:58:32 PM

Hindsight’s 20/20.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#37384: Feb 18th 2020 at 2:18:37 PM

We are not getting into the fucking argument with you again, Crate.

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#37385: Feb 18th 2020 at 2:25:39 PM

I mean, we already are in it.

But we should probably stop.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#37387: Feb 18th 2020 at 4:43:54 PM

I think most fans of abridged series are extremely well acquainted with the lack of regular release schedules.

Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#37388: Feb 19th 2020 at 12:14:19 AM

True, but how much are they usually supporting the creators? I thought that most abridging projects are done by people as a hobby/side-job, with them not relying on it as their main source of income.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#37389: Feb 19th 2020 at 9:41:01 AM

That's what we're saying. TFS isn't just a machine to put out DBZA, it's a full-scale production house now, so even if you only watched for DBZ there are plenty of other things you can watch on there, to say nothing of supporting each member when they also stream on Twitch. I watch Zito a lot, for instance.

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#37390: Feb 19th 2020 at 10:00:05 AM

There's nothing wrong with Let's Plays and Twitch streams if that's what you're into, but it doesn't take a "full-scale production house" to make them.

I think it would be more accurate to say that Team Four Star has ambitions toward becoming a full-scale production house, but judging by their actual production output, they're not actually there.

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 19th 2020 at 12:17:40 PM

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#37391: Feb 19th 2020 at 4:02:15 PM

Yet. They've already got a great reputation (even if Toei's blacklisted them from working with Funimation on anything Dragon Ball-related) and they weren't just approached to do the Hells dub for no reason. Even if it's not something they thought they wanted to keep doing, I'm sure their original stuff will be good too.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#37392: Feb 19th 2020 at 4:22:51 PM

Blacklisting people who got attention to your franchise is a bit of a dumb move. Oh well, Japanese tradition is that artists are masters who shouldn't come into contact with fans or something like that.

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#37393: Feb 19th 2020 at 5:14:56 PM

Considering their track record— they've been vaguely promising "original works" since they started their Patreon what, like four years ago?— I'd be less concerned with quality and more concerned with whether such works will ever actually materialize.

I am open to being pleasantly surprised, but at this point it WOULD be a surprise.

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 19th 2020 at 5:23:25 AM

terumokou Pitiable and Illegally Dumped Object from In a bamboo forest full of bunnies, California Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Mu
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#37394: Feb 19th 2020 at 5:28:55 PM

I think Unabridged ep1 should be out this year. And then there's Taka's AWF (Kaiser mentioned they filmed a whole season and it's in editing and they like to have a preview before the end of the year). I think Kirran and Grant are doing something and Masako is pitching a thing so there's stuff to see eventually.

Burning love!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#37395: Feb 19th 2020 at 5:40:37 PM

What's AWF?

Cause the first thought I had is Animal Wrestling Federation....WHICH MEANS THEY STOLE MY IDEA!

One Strip! One Strip!
terumokou Pitiable and Illegally Dumped Object from In a bamboo forest full of bunnies, California Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Mu
Pitiable and Illegally Dumped Object
#37396: Feb 19th 2020 at 5:47:27 PM

Taka's wrestling project. More about their projects here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeamFourStar/comments/f2jebn/so_what_exactly_is_next/fhffttw?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Edited by terumokou on Feb 19th 2020 at 5:47:43 AM

Burning love!
HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#37397: Feb 19th 2020 at 6:23:50 PM

[up][up][up] Those are things that have been promised for literally years. I will believe them when I see them at this point.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#37398: Feb 19th 2020 at 9:23:32 PM

[up][up]

So it is a Wrestling thing. And a parody too. It seems like it's not using animals, but I also had a version of the idea without animals, so they've still beaten me too it.

Curse my slowness...and lack of funds...and everything else.sad

One Strip! One Strip!
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#37399: Feb 19th 2020 at 9:26:14 PM

High Crate, do you have anything else to talk about? Because this seems to be the only subject you want to entertain and it’s not really productive.

Edited by fredhot16 on Feb 19th 2020 at 9:27:55 AM

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#37400: Feb 19th 2020 at 10:50:26 PM

DB fandom like to joke how Goku is a terrible father, which is run to the ground and powdering the beaten up dead horse by now, but Genma takes the cake for worst dad for real.

Well at least Genma got what he deserves. His son hates him and generally does everything he can to spite him, his wife hates him and is searching for him for kidnapping her son at a young age and will kill him if she find him because of what he has done, and so many other issues including the Panda issue. Even his best friend barely can stand him at times.

Goku... yeah... he is still everyone's hero.


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