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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37351: Feb 13th 2020 at 10:40:18 AM

Saiyans may just be redonkulously durable as a whole.

Vegeta is just the King of redonkulously durable.

....which is the only thing he's king of at all I suppose.cool

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#37352: Feb 13th 2020 at 11:13:17 AM

[up][up][up]I love how Perfect Cells powers up to full power leaving everyone but Gohan shitting their pants at how much power he was hiding...and it's not even twice as strong as the power he was using before.

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#37354: Feb 13th 2020 at 10:46:41 PM

Buu has the same thing as Cell, except Buu canonically has much lower durability than the other characters, to the point that normal bullets punch holes clean through him.

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#37355: Feb 13th 2020 at 10:54:50 PM

Buu is the logical extreme of cell regen in that he have not durability, he can tank everything by virture of regenerating everything.

I hate beerus because he is just "tank everything", even Jien is worst than that, Buu was so out of field that I wonder what trick would pull next.

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#37356: Feb 13th 2020 at 11:22:46 PM

Boo can also tank things much more powerful than bullets, and has complete control over his body. The bullets passing through him is probably deliberate.

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#37357: Feb 13th 2020 at 11:26:54 PM

I think maybe Kid Boo is the only one that doesn't "tank" but I don't remember a moment when the Boos get hit with beams and don't get blown apart by it.

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#37358: Feb 13th 2020 at 11:58:12 PM

Think the closest Kid Buu came to tanking something is the planet blowing up.

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#37359: Feb 14th 2020 at 12:05:30 AM

Well, a requirement for jobbing is insane durability.

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#37360: Feb 14th 2020 at 12:12:53 AM

[up][up][up] Super Boo gets hit by Gotenks' mouth blast without scattering, and every form of Boo is shown taking punches from fighters who hit thousands of times harder than bullets.

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#37361: Feb 14th 2020 at 12:25:41 AM

I did say just beams...

[up][up][up]He doesn't tank those, he always reforms after.

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#37362: Feb 14th 2020 at 2:50:37 AM

It always bothered me that almost half the people in the world tried to attack Boo with punches and kicks.

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#37363: Feb 14th 2020 at 7:27:28 AM

Majin Buu is basically a Rubber Man with extreme healing powers stacked on. But yes, like Cell, his ability to splatter into goo and then reform artistically necessitates having attacks not powerful enough to kill him splatter him into goo so that he can reform.

Speaking of Buu, I've been thinking about endings lately and TFS's decision to make Cell's defeat the canonic ending of DBZA. Let me preface this by saying that I really like the Majin Buu arc and what I'm about to say is by no means a condemnation of Buu's quality.

Majin Buu is in a bit of a weird spot because it's the final arc of the series, but also kinda feels filler-y? Like. I was thinking about the various arcs and what the series would feel like if they ended there. And after the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, I think you could make a satisfying conclusion out of every arc.

  • Piccolo Daimao: The last hurrah for the original villains, the Pilaf Gang, in which they do something legit dangerous that vindicates them as bad guys - and then promptly get f*cked over by Evil Is Not a Toy, because they're not the epic villains they set out to be and never will be. Piccolo rises, attains his youth, and destroys Shenron - raising the stakes for realsies because there are no longer Dragon Balls.
    • Ending: With the power of the Divine Water, Goku defeats Piccolo and saves the world. Then he ascends the Lookout and meets God. What would have been a bittersweet ending becomes a good one as Goku completes his final challenge: persuading God to restore the Dragon Balls. God gives Goku this narrative reward for his goodness and Goku performs the first and only mass revival of the series. The end.
  • 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai: Goku takes his third run at the tournament which has been a running on-and-off plot throughout the entire series.
    • Ending: Goku defeats Piccolo in the grudge match to end them all, finally achieving that Championship title he has for so long coveted and proving himself the greatest martial artist in the world. The end.
  • Saiyans: The revelation of Goku's true identity culminates in a throwdown against the deadliest warriors in the universe.
    • Ending: Frieza isn't a thing and neither is Vegeta's survival. Goku, Krillin, and Gohan together are able to defeat Vegeta and end the threat of the Saiyans forever. Bittersweet because their friends are gone and the Dragon Balls aren't coming back, but the world is at last safe from the mysterious threat that Goku himself unknowingly represented. The end.
  • Frieza: The hunt for the Namekian Dragon Balls brings Goku and his friends into conflict with the most powerful being in the entire universe, the wicked force behind the Saiyans.
    • Ending: Goku becomes the legend incarnate, transforming into the one and only Legendary Super Saiyan. With this power, he defeats Frieza and becomes the most powerful being in the universe, bar none. Everyone comes back to life, New Namek is established, and everybody lives happily ever after. The end.
  • Cell: The Red Ribbon Army produces a monster comprised of the combined powers of every adventure Goku's ever been on. A walking clip-show in the form of a villain, Cell is the amalgam of Goku's entire life's journey.
    • Ending: Goku's time is done. He passes the torch to his son Gohan, who rises to the challenge and conquers the metaphorical embodiment of Goku's life flashing before his eyes. Goku is dead, but he goes to his final rest secure in the knowledge that Gohan will carry his legacy into a new tomorrow. The end.

Like. If you were to go back now and try to erase some of these arcs from canon, that would suck. Because they exist now, and they have good stuff in them.

But if, in the process of creating them, the series had chosen any of these points as the final point to stop at, I think fans would have been pretty satisfied with the conclusion.

Majin Buu is kinda weird, because the rest of the series feels like every arc builds on what came before it, but Majin Buu is just sort of stapled on. The way we meet him and his importance to the series as a whole can best be described as "Filler Villain", even though he's not filler.

The lead-in to Majin Buu is that some guy who nobody's ever heard of shows up and interrupts the protagonists in the middle of what they're doing. And he goes, "Hey guys, there's an evil villain somewhere. Drop everything and come with me to fight this nasty villain." So they do.

That's it. That is the entire premise of the Majin Buu arc. Where Piccolo, Piccolo (Again), the Saiyans, Frieza, and the Androids all had a connection of some kind to the material that led to them, Majin Buu is just a Bad Dude who happens to exist for the protagonists to throw down with.

And that's why I think there might be a legit question worth asking: I love the Majin Buu arc, but compared to everything that came before it, does this really fit the narrative as the final note, the epitome of all things Dragon Ball, the big climax that everything that came before has been leading up to all this time?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37364: Feb 14th 2020 at 8:16:07 AM

It doesn't.

Because while I don't know if the Buu Arc was always meant to be the end, it was meant to be the beginning of Gohan's run as the hero.

So the reason it doesn't seem to connect to other arcs is because those arcs still involved Goku, but this arc was (up until Toriyama changed his mind) meant to be about Gohan. A new hero requires a new threat, unconnected to what came before.

But we all know how that came out.

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#37365: Feb 14th 2020 at 11:19:15 AM

Buu Saga isn't good, just missing the mark of being GT bad because Toriyama possessed basic storytelling techniques.

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#37366: Feb 14th 2020 at 11:32:01 AM

It's good in the ways that matter...here.

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#37367: Feb 14th 2020 at 3:48:15 PM

I found Buu hilarious myself.

Pure Buu was also wacky, but in a horrific way.

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#37368: Feb 14th 2020 at 7:52:04 PM

[up][up][up]As a ending to Dragon Ball or in general? Because the former is what Tobias Drake is talking about.

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#37369: Feb 16th 2020 at 9:56:47 AM

The Images that Precede Unfortunate Events twitter account posted a certain image from the end of Episode 60 Part 3 that is no longer there and hbi2k surprisingly posted some of his thoughts in the twitter thread for it.

I didn't know what relations were like between Ben and the rest of TFS Creative after he left.

He kinda seems to blame himself a little.

Edited by IceAnt573 on Feb 16th 2020 at 12:58:47 PM

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#37370: Feb 16th 2020 at 10:10:01 AM

That second tweet is a red flag; a "if I was better, I would have made a better call than the one you couldn't do". That's not blaming himself, it is painting the rest of the team as unable to make a good call. That's exactly the kind of argument my father uses when pushed into an argument: "my mistake was letting you do something you shouldn't have done". It is passing the blame while making it look like taking it.

I'm honestly not liking one bit what is coming from Ben these last few weeks.

Edited by Eriorguez on Feb 16th 2020 at 7:14:18 PM

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#37371: Feb 16th 2020 at 10:13:57 AM

The first one seemed, well, a bit "I told you so". "A little spiteful", one called it in that thread.

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#37372: Feb 16th 2020 at 10:15:24 AM

"I told you so", while longing for the old days of abridging stuff? Meh.

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#37373: Feb 16th 2020 at 10:40:56 AM

Yeah, that's pretty harsh, actually.

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#37374: Feb 16th 2020 at 11:07:26 AM

Yeah his tone comes across as kinda arrogant. "Incapable of making the decision themselves" despite bringing it up on the spot as a sudden ultimatum. That kind of "I take the blame for your incompetence" mentality is super toxic. Perhaps he didn't intend it to come off that way, but I find it hard to sympathize with his point when he phrases it like that.

Edited by Alfric on Feb 16th 2020 at 11:11:37 AM

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#37375: Feb 16th 2020 at 3:39:55 PM

Yeah, I'm not surprised. Between his whole "Team Four Star was a mistake that ruined abridging forever" post and this, Ben's been really passive-aggressive towards TFS of late. He's making veiled attacks at them under the guise of penance. His general tone lately is, "I'm sorry for inflicting DBZA upon the world."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 16th 2020 at 4:40:15 AM

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