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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#37251: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:07:07 PM

The reason was because they didn't like tearing down DBZ and Buu is one of the series' weakest points to say nothing of how bad Bojack is as a movie, plus the burnout that any creative endeavor runs into. Get them something where they can come up with a passion project and you'll see their normal work ethic again. Ten years for a show is an amazing length of time for any internet short show, and I think this is a great place to end it.

I swear, have you paid attention to any status updates at all?

Edited by theLibrarian on Feb 11th 2020 at 3:09:38 AM

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#37252: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:10:33 PM

You mean the update about how Bojack was totally coming, and how Season 4 was totally coming, and how Bojack wasn't coming but Season 4 was totally coming, and how Season 4 was totally coming but it would be in 3D now, and then how Season 4 wasn't coming?

Yes, I've been following their updates. They have proven tenuous enough as a prediction of future events that I don't put much stock in them any more. I prefer to trust what folks do over what they say. Much more reliable.

Now, when it comes to FF 7 MA, then sure. That's something that has reasonably reliably come out on a regular schedule announced in advance. If the team behind that says that more of that is coming and when, I'm inclined to believe them. And the numbers that it brings in lead me to believe that it's probably paying for itself at least, which is good.

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 11th 2020 at 1:15:55 AM

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#37253: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:13:10 PM

~theLibrarian, note the edit made to your last post on the previous page, and take the warning.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#37254: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:13:38 PM

[up][up]You are coming across as extremely callous and cold-hearted. You are blatantly ignoring context to misrepresent those things.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Feb 11th 2020 at 2:14:07 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#37255: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:14:06 PM

[up][up]Yeah, I was expecting something like this.

Edited by fredhot16 on Feb 11th 2020 at 1:14:14 AM

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#37256: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:14:36 PM

Yeah, TFS is not just a place that makes DBZA. It's been an actual full production company for a good while now and they are allowed to do different things if they want to.

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#37257: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:18:19 PM

Of course they are. They're "allowed" to do whatever they want.

However, for a "full production house," their production output has been rather suspect for quite a while. If you were to ask me to invest in such a venture— which is of course what they're doing with their Patreon, albeit for a return in future content rather than money— I would have serious questions.

I don't think that's unreasonable.

Pushover is right, it IS impressive that DBZA has lasted this long. TFS has worked hard on it, and they are to be commended. It's afforded them a large audience and what at one point appeared to be a successful business.

It's unfortunate they appear to be squandering both.

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 11th 2020 at 1:26:58 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#37258: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:23:34 PM

[up]Saying that they don't have "courage in their convictions" because they don't want to risk their livelihood being incinerated is unreasonable, especially when they're burned out on it as it is.

Stating the worst-case scenario of Toei suing them into bankruptcy with such flippancy is unreasonable.

Saying that they could just go get another job after that is unreasonable.

Edited by fredhot16 on Feb 11th 2020 at 1:29:13 AM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#37259: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:27:42 PM

I'm with High Crate on this: TFS has yet to do something that can carry themselves now that DBZA.

If I were in such a position, I would severely reconsider the move of not working on dubbing.

Obviously I do not know how profitable that is, but depending it could sustain them while they work at their passion projects.

I imagine they've been working on other stuff in the meantime, but until that's released, it's not unreasonable to point out that their scheduling and output has been weak.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#37260: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:28:14 PM

[up][up]Seriously. In a business like that you have to be careful. There's plenty of You Tube channels who have been ruined by flippant copyright trolls and demonetization. Not to mention editing, voice acting, script-writing, and more are all very time-consuming jobs, especially given how long the episodes got over time.

They're not "squandering" anything.

Plus, they've been releasing things fairly regularly on their gaming channel.

Edited by theLibrarian on Feb 11th 2020 at 3:29:02 AM

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#37261: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:29:26 PM

[up][up][up] Their livelihood is in no more or less jeopardy from Toei now than it was when they made the decision to make this their livelihood in the first place. That's the decision they made, and I think it was a worthy one. It's unfortunate they have reneged on it.

[up] Their gaming channel has been releasing things less and less regularly for a smaller and smaller audience.

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 11th 2020 at 1:30:50 AM

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#37262: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:30:34 PM

Oh yeah, it hasn't been in jeopardy...

Aside from the numerous different video takedowns and channel suspensions. And they haven't reneged on anything. Season 4's existence was in doubt long before Episode 60 aired, and there's plenty of productions not just in abridging but in actual entertainment too that have been announced, then cancelled. This is not a slight against fans, it's something that happens.

Edited by theLibrarian on Feb 11th 2020 at 3:33:59 AM

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#37263: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:31:18 PM

And every time, the videos and channel have gone back up, and life has gone on. That's an inconvenience, not an existential threat.

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 11th 2020 at 1:31:53 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#37264: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:31:56 PM

[up]And that will always happen, they will never pull the trigger, just smack you with the butt over and over, no matter what, don't even worry about it?

That's the position you're taking here?

Edited by fredhot16 on Feb 11th 2020 at 1:36:41 AM

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#37265: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:32:20 PM

But each time that happens they lose out on a ton of money and views. Their official channel wasn't even making them any money after a certain point because it was just easier to demonetize it. Your entire argument doesn't make sense. "DBZA made them the most money" not after that it doesn't!

Edited by theLibrarian on Feb 11th 2020 at 3:32:54 AM

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#37266: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:37:04 PM

DBZA earned them audience goodwill, which translated into interest in other projects. You can watch the view counts on everything else they do decline in direct proportion to the decline of DBZA. Their Patreon numbers aren't public, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a correlation there too.

Even then, if they were to call it quits, Episode 60 was the time. That was when goodwill, after flagging during the year-long hiatus, was at an all-time high. That was the time to ask people to follow them to the next thing.

After 18 straight months of no "next thing" and no DBZA either, but a steady diet of delays and cancellations and unfulfilled promises instead, that's a much harder sell.

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 11th 2020 at 1:40:46 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#37267: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:40:17 PM

[up]And keeping on DBZA, when they've admitted they're burned out on it and would produce material that worsens with each episode, is better?

They did try to come up with stuff for DBZA. They couldn't. The fact that they couldn't meant that, for them, it was best to stop while they can.

Edited by fredhot16 on Feb 11th 2020 at 1:45:05 AM

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#37268: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:41:49 PM

Seriously. Lots of shows have passed far beyond when their quality has started to dip to the detriment of their ratings. I would rather have them stop it at 60 and do something else than have DBZA go through Buu and get worse with each episode.

You say ending DBZA would lose them people, making the show terrible would lose way more.

Edited by theLibrarian on Feb 11th 2020 at 3:44:57 AM

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#37269: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:42:10 PM

They haven't had time to start thinking about any "next thing", because they've been busy trying to continue DBZA! They only ended it a few days ago, give them time to work on something.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#37270: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:43:03 PM

And before you say "They've had 18 months", that's 18 months of trying to work on a way to continue DBZA that was never fruitful.

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#37271: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:44:18 PM

And again, their taking 18 months with nothing to show for it doesn't exactly raise my confidence in their next project. That sounds like a recipe for another 18 wasted months on whatever their mysterious unannounced original project(s) might be, even as audience goodwill, view counts, and incomes decline.

I'll be very surprised if they still have a business at the end of that.

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 11th 2020 at 1:47:11 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#37272: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:44:51 PM

No, but they shouldn't have blueballed the audience for an year and a half, either.

They screwed up on that, that's all there is to it.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#37273: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:46:38 PM

[up][up]How much time do you think it takes to work on a project?

Also, it took them a year to realize that they're burned out on a passion project they've been working on for, like, a decade or so? That's a bad thing?

They should have come to that conclusion sooner, is that it?

[up]So, what should they have done, then?

Edited by fredhot16 on Feb 11th 2020 at 1:48:56 AM

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#37274: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:47:14 PM

I'm sure they're upset they had to do that too. But there was no "lying" involved. You and a lot of fans that think they "lied" are treating this whole thing like a deliberate act of malice rather than them trying and failing to find a desire to continue.

Edited by theLibrarian on Feb 11th 2020 at 3:50:35 AM

HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#37275: Feb 11th 2020 at 1:53:55 PM

I have been very careful not to use the word "lie," which implies moral judgment.

I prefer "unfulfilled promises." Whether that's due to maliciousness or overpromising or incompetence hardly matters. The point is, why should I get invested in their next promise when they didn't deliver on their last one?

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 11th 2020 at 1:54:04 AM


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