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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#37026: Jan 23rd 2020 at 11:24:15 AM

Yeah, though that was only in Future Trunks' timeline.

It's the reason they weren't able to wish anyone back...or at least not Tien and Yamcha, who are the only two who could have been wished back by the Earth balls at that point...oh and Vegeta I guess. Forgot he's never been revived by Shenron too.

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#37027: Jan 23rd 2020 at 11:27:34 AM

Vegeta's been revived by Shenron. He came back to life on Namek following the Shenron wish to revive everyone who'd been killed by Frieza and his men.

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#37028: Jan 23rd 2020 at 11:29:14 AM

That wasn't by Porunga?

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#37029: Jan 23rd 2020 at 11:30:35 AM

No. That was Shenron. Porunga couldn't have granted that wish, because he was pegged to Guru, who was one of the victims of Frieza and his men brought back by that wish.

Porunga's granted wishes were

  1. Resurrect Piccolo.
  2. Bring Piccolo to Namek because we're all stupid.
  3. Send everyone from Namek except Frieza - and, I guess, Goku 'cause he's being stupid - to Earth.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:31:43 PM

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#37030: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:29:51 PM

Send everyone from Namek except Frieza - and, I guess, Goku 'cause he's being stupid - to Earth.

To be fair, if Goku had came as well Freeza would be free to scape the planet himself and eventually make his way to Earth and blow it up. Sure, then Goku could have fought and defeat him, of course, but that would be dangerous for the planet and all, and who knows when Freeza would actually show up? Might have been on a very inconvenient time. They had access to two sets of Dragon Balls, so it is not that much of a bad idea to let Goku defeat Freeza right there and then and just resurrect later. Of course, that wasn't, at all, Goku's reason for refusal, but still.

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#37031: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:33:28 PM

Frieza does that anyway, though.

  • Goku: Leave me here on Namek so that I can end Frieza once and for all!
  • Frieza: Oh, no! You're going to end me once and for all?!
  • Goku: Nah, we cool. I just want you to feel bad that I pummeled you.
  • Frieza: Oh. Well. Okay then.
  • Goku: ...so, do you have any ideas for how to get off Namek? Planet's about to blow up and all. Might be about time to get going....

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 23rd 2020 at 1:33:56 PM

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#37032: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:35:04 PM

To be fair, he may have changed his mind when he saw Freezer's power beginning to drop, he probably found him not even worth the effort of killing until Freezer tried to stab him in the back.

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#37033: Jan 23rd 2020 at 12:50:27 PM

"Probably"? He literally gave him energy at some point until the Backstab Backfire.

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#37034: Jan 23rd 2020 at 1:04:01 PM

[up][up][up]I mean, yeah. But if Goku was doing his job properly that could have been avoided.

I didn't say that was the reason Goku decided to stay. I explicitly said that was not the case, because it wasn't. But if it have been it wouldn't be a bad plan.

Basically, I think Goku made the right decision for a bad reason. And than fumbled the landing anyway making it overall just a stupid thing all round.

Edited by Heatth on Jan 23rd 2020 at 7:05:02 AM

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#37035: Jan 23rd 2020 at 1:05:19 PM

Was this before or after the planet buster?

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#37036: Jan 23rd 2020 at 1:07:36 PM

robably"? He literally gave him energy at some point until the Backstab Backfire.

Yeah. Goku tries to quit the fight twice. He gives Frieza his, "We're done here, you're no threat to me, live with that," speech and tries to leave.

Frieza responds with kienzans and promptly stupids himself in half. While Goku's just like, "Seriously, bro?" Frieza begs for some energy to help him get by and Goku grants it to him and flies away.

Frieza, not having learned his lesson after already jamming the fork in the socket once, tries to shoot that energy Goku gave him back at him in a murder beam. Goku's just like, "SERIOUSLY, BRO?!" and counters it.

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#37037: Jan 23rd 2020 at 5:18:49 PM

Oh right. I forgot Vegeta was included in the revived by Shenron on Namek. My bad.

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#37038: Jan 24th 2020 at 2:09:13 AM

To be fair, if Goku had came as well Freeza would be free to scape the planet himself and eventually make his way to Earth and blow it up. Sure, then Goku could have fought and defeat him, of course, but that would be dangerous for the planet and all, and who knows when Freeza would actually show up?

I don't think any of them knew Freeza could breathe in space at the time, though. Or does he exposition about that when he sets the planet to explode - the early parts of that fight always slip my mind.

If he doesn't, though, as far as any of them knew Freeza was screwed without a spaceship.

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#37039: Jan 24th 2020 at 3:44:28 AM

I believe Freeza had already told Goku, yes. Though, at any rate, Goku have no reason to know Freeza had no working ship. Not to mention Freeza could have gone and used Ginyuu's, same way Goku did.

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#37040: Jan 24th 2020 at 3:49:09 AM

Freeza tells Goku that he can survive in space, right before he tries to blow the planet up.

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#37041: Jan 24th 2020 at 4:14:55 AM

that feel when the planet's explosion is less threatening than vacuum

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#37042: Jan 24th 2020 at 7:08:31 AM

that feel when the planet's explosion is less threatening than vacuum

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But, yeah. Point is, Goku staying behind to settle things with Frieza doesn't really work out when Goku promptly decides not to settle things with Frieza and to just let bygones be bygones. The Heroic Sacrifice and the Cruel Mercy don't really mesh well with one another.

It's one of those moments where the Writing by the Seat of Your Pants shows.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 24th 2020 at 8:09:41 AM

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#37043: Feb 1st 2020 at 6:12:16 PM

Doesn't seem like anyone posted it.

So DBZA is over. Buu Saga will be done entirely in their "Short Z" format

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We're going to do a full, in-depth video on this soon, but...

Episode 60 is the ending of Abridged proper.

The Short Z are the future of our Dragon Ball content, and if we do the Buu Saga, it'll be in the style of the Short Z.

We talked about it here: https://youtu.be/JNyMvdRANYw?t=2123

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#37044: Feb 1st 2020 at 6:24:44 PM

Yeah, they've been talking about that for a while now. Part of the purpose for the Dragon ShortZ is building assets, which are then inteneded to be used for the Buu arc.

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#37045: Feb 1st 2020 at 6:28:41 PM

That makes it sound like Boo arc is more of a maybe than a planned thing at this moment.

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#37046: Feb 1st 2020 at 6:58:31 PM

I mean, a lot of things can happen when time passes. Bojack Abridged was planned until the actual writing for it made them scrap it completely (well there's a possibility for either Kai or Shortz version but we're not there yet) because while it's a good movie for fight scenes, it's a terrible movie for conversations with the villains.

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#37047: Feb 1st 2020 at 7:05:39 PM

Huh now that they are converting to original shorts they can possibly do Bojack now.

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#37048: Feb 1st 2020 at 7:20:00 PM

Well probably not, unless they want to try and make models for all of Bojack's minions beyond Zangya.

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#37049: Feb 1st 2020 at 7:34:24 PM

I feel like they would go the effort there.

They love kooky minions. Hell a consistently great part of each movie is usually the mooks clowning around.

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#37050: Feb 2nd 2020 at 12:07:54 AM

If Majin Buu is in the "maybe" pile, then the movies are in the "don't get your hopes up" pile.

Besides, the decision not to do Bojack had nothing to do with the footage available and everything to do with the team deciding that there was nothing to work with in the actual content.

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