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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#36976: Jan 21st 2020 at 1:24:30 PM

What about that guy from Hitman Reborn who abandoned his son?

Also Sasuke is a pretty terrible dad.

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terumokou Pitiable and Illegally Dumped Object from In a bamboo forest full of bunnies, California Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Mu
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#36977: Jan 21st 2020 at 1:29:58 PM

Okay I should rephrase that as among the worst dads.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#36978: Jan 21st 2020 at 1:46:13 PM

Nah, that dude’s the worst. An abusive dick doesn’t get much higher on the totem pole except for the murderous.

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Edited by fredhot16 on Jan 21st 2020 at 2:05:01 AM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36979: Jan 21st 2020 at 3:51:02 PM

Well being "The Worst" doesn't mean they aren't still "among" the worst...

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36980: Jan 21st 2020 at 4:36:46 PM

Getting somewhat back on topic, in regards to Yamcha being Relevant period AGAIN ( he was kinda relevant in the arc he first appeared in to be fair), I admit, I'm waiting for the other foot to drop.

I think this might have been a situation where Toriyama did his usual vague notes thing and allowed Toyotarou to interpret it as he saw fit. Otherwise, the first scene we'd have seen was Yamcha lying face first in a pool of his own blood, before we got to see everyone else fighting off the other Mooks.

Which most people would probably consider more realistic I suppose. I admit even I'm surprised he's being allowed to do as little as he is.

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#36981: Jan 21st 2020 at 4:38:53 PM

I don't think Toyotaro likes the human characters very much, though, so it's possible that it's the other way around, Toriyama is forcing him to write the humans doing things and Toyotaro decided to do the bare minimum.

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#36982: Jan 21st 2020 at 4:51:05 PM

That would imply that Toriyama cares about the human characters.

He hasn't cared enough about Yamcha to use him as more than cannon fodder since literally ever. Why start now?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#36983: Jan 21st 2020 at 4:54:34 PM

Okay Yamcha is just fighting some nameless mooks and even then we don't see the fight, just the victory and him bragging about how he's one of Earth strongest fighters to the nameless mooks.

To call this relevance is liking calling a gecko a dragon.

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#36984: Jan 21st 2020 at 4:55:49 PM

Yeah, but what Yamcha's not doing is getting his teeth kicked in immediately after he starts trying to fight.

Which is how you know this scene probably wasn't Toriyama's idea. Getting the shit beat out of him is literally all Yamcha does. Dude didn't even make it to the Nappa fight.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 21st 2020 at 5:59:09 AM

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#36985: Jan 21st 2020 at 4:57:55 PM

That Yamcha wins a fight on-screen while looking cool is an actual miracle.

Edited by Moth13 on Jan 21st 2020 at 7:58:50 AM

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#36986: Jan 21st 2020 at 5:08:38 PM

[up][up]I think you're letting memes cloud your memory, friendo. Yamcha's treatment by Toriyama in the original manga isn't really that bad. While he may lose, his losses are always Played for Drama.

Against Roshi, his loss is somewhat dignified and he spends the rest of the arc in detective mode trying to deduce Jackie's identity. Against Tenshinhan, his loss is a major motivating factor for Goku. Against Kami, he manages to get one good hit on him with the Spirit Ball and earns Kami's respect. Against the Saibaman, he outright won until the Saibaman did a self-destruct play, and Yamcha's ensuing death was an extremely dramatic moment that motivated Krillin to use a big move to kill all the remaining Saibamen at once. Against Gero, his impaling was presented like a horror scene, and the other characters took his injury seriously. Against the Cell Jrs, all of the characters get their asses kicked and it's a major motivator for Gohan.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jan 21st 2020 at 6:09:08 AM

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#36987: Jan 21st 2020 at 5:20:38 PM

The Saibamen are kind of funny as a plot point.

Yamcha had to die in a surprise explosion in order to establish that the Saibamen could explode and kill our heroes. This setup was used, over the course of the arc, to... uh... to kill Yamcha?

That's about it, really. The Saibamen all died immediately after and were never brought up again. Killing off Yamcha before the real fighting even starts is literally the only purpose they served. Nothing else actually happens in their part of the manga. Tenshinhan, Krillin, and Piccolo trash them like it's nobody's business and the plot moves on.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 21st 2020 at 6:23:55 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36988: Jan 21st 2020 at 5:25:01 PM

That's true.

Toriyama may not have done much with Yamcha, but it was arguably the fandom who really cemented his Memetic Loser status.

Then again, that same status is the reason any one cares about him. If not for that, he'd likely be as forgotten as Chiaotzu.

The death pose meme saved him.

[up]Edit: Wow. That's a good point. Did he literally create them just to kill one character?

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jan 21st 2020 at 6:25:57 AM

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#36989: Jan 21st 2020 at 5:25:13 PM

Just pointing out that the Saibamen were supposedly as strong as Raditz. Did that mean anything?

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#36990: Jan 21st 2020 at 5:26:30 PM

I remember that when Yamcha beat that Saibaman, everyone was breathing a sigh of relief. I think Krillin said "Maybe we're all going to make it out alive after all!" So, for a second there it seemed like they had a fighting chance. I guess that was the point?

Wait. Nappa said that the Saibamen were all as strong as Raditz, so maybe the point was to show how much stronger Yamcha had become?

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#36991: Jan 21st 2020 at 5:26:50 PM

[up][up]Just the typical "that guy who gave Goku and Piccolo so much trouble is so last season now".

Edited by Moth13 on Jan 21st 2020 at 8:26:58 AM

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#36992: Jan 21st 2020 at 5:54:35 PM

Yeh, it's to show how much they improved.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36993: Jan 21st 2020 at 6:22:51 PM

And to show how the new villain is even more badass.

If Dragonball is built upon Goku standing on the shoulders and corpses (both literally and figuratively) of his allies, then the same applies to the villains.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36994: Jan 21st 2020 at 7:49:21 PM

Apparently the Z-Warriors weren't taking the fight seriously enough...

So what better way to get them to actually see the threat than to kill the cocky one of the group.

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#36995: Jan 21st 2020 at 9:02:31 PM

Yamcha got fridged just to make Krillin do something, am I reading into that too much?

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#36996: Jan 21st 2020 at 9:13:47 PM

Theres the factor too that the saiyans weren't playing fair. Yamcha won his fight and still died. This wasnt a tournament. They wouldn't get away with just bruises and broken bones. The enemy was going to go for the kill any way they can.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#36997: Jan 21st 2020 at 9:14:37 PM

Yamcha died so Krillin could get a Level 3 super.

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#36998: Jan 21st 2020 at 9:31:45 PM

Plus, plus it make Ciaotzu's actions later have dramatic resonance. Showing that, even resorting to the same sacrificial tactics, the heroes cant win.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36999: Jan 21st 2020 at 9:46:55 PM

[up]x4 That's not really a logical thing to read from that, Kriller's always had a better showing than Yamucha up to that point.

He died just to make them take it seriously-er, because they "were" treating it like a tournament.

Do you think it's safe to say, that tournaments being major events in their lives warped the way they'd do battle?

Edited by randomness4 on Jan 21st 2020 at 9:48:05 AM

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#37000: Jan 21st 2020 at 9:47:35 PM

Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot has a hilarious substory post Namek where you check up on Yamcha hooking up with dates.

In the game, the Skull robot from Dragon Ball (The elite pirate mook of the Red Ribbon Armor) has been mass produced, to the point where civvies can get them as security bots for self defense.

Yamcha cheats on two different girls, and then they send out Skull robots to attack him out of vengeance, and as gohan, you have to team up with him to fight them off.

It ends with one of the Skull Robots going full Saibaman and grabbing Yamcha, blowing up, putting him in his infamous pose, and then the girls mock his pose. Then they go get ice cream. And even though he lives this time, Gohan thinks its even Lamer then when the Saibman did it! XD!

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