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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#36526: Dec 18th 2019 at 5:02:30 PM

I mean yeah I just assumed Dragon Fist is a ki technique and Goku was inspired by Shenron is making the shape for it.

It's kind of weird how detailed it is, and it's hard to see why Goku was inspired to make the move in the first place, but I don't think the technique is fundamentally strange.

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#36527: Dec 18th 2019 at 5:12:17 PM

Many years ago I used to believe Goku learned it in the 7 years he spent training in otherworld.

But I stopped (admittedly recently) when I realized that it's dumb he hadn't used it to whoop Super Buu or even Kid Buu.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36528: Dec 18th 2019 at 5:21:16 PM

Yeah he doesn't have a speed problem, Cell was faster than Goku because he was overall more powerful than Goku.

That's the speed problem. I figure being able to out and out teleport would be a good way to compensate for your opponent being faster. I mean:

Teleportation is a pretty good potential counter for Super-Speed...in theory, but....

Also Cell clearly demonstrates that IT isn't enough to keep up - because Cell just kicks his ass with his superior speed in response to Goku teleporting.

Wait. Didn't Goku only teleport maybe one or two times. Hell, we see clips of him using Instants Transmission to slip away from Cell during that video...not that's I'm doubting you. Of course having a higher power level would trump any technique. That's Dragonball.

Plus, I imagine if Goku still had a potential way to win without being stronger, there would have been zero point in brining in Gohan, so that's just Toriyama both covering his bases and cutting off the branches as he usually does. He's thorough like that.

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#36529: Dec 18th 2019 at 5:44:04 PM

Piccolo should learn Instant Transmission so he can Warp Special Beam Cannon and have the hand gesture serve both purposes.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36531: Dec 18th 2019 at 6:41:48 PM

[up][up][up] Yes. Goku only used in twice.

Because Cell beat his ass.

Even though teleportation itself is instant, Goku needs to concentrate to use it. When Cell is ragdolling him across the countryside he can't do it (that we've seen, anyway).

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36532: Dec 18th 2019 at 7:04:53 PM

Oh right. Even if he's not doing the fingers (GET YOUR MINDS OUT OF THE GUTTER!) he still has to concentrate.

I'll say this for Toriyama: if a technique has a drawback, it sticks. It's not normally something that can be completely phased out. Though that also adds to the problem of shrinking the value of some techniques while just raise your power level further cements itself as the only solution to any problem.

It's a shame though about that: you'd think he wouldn't need to concentrate for someone right in front of him.

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#36534: Dec 19th 2019 at 1:15:10 PM

For context, no. 6 is Last BlastFinal Flash. Flashy as hell, iconic moment, memorable pose, and a big ass laser but yeah, other than that, FF has a horrendous charge time, remain stationary while charging, and for all that energy emitted, Geets never beats anyone with it.

And just to iterate, yes, dragons make everything better! And this is coming from one born on Super Tuesday 1988.

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Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#36535: Dec 19th 2019 at 3:17:13 PM

Yeah unlike the Hellzone Grenade, there is no anime filler excuse for this technique.

Took like 4 whole pages to charge up

Still, the scope of it.

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#36536: Dec 19th 2019 at 3:19:32 PM

Yeah, if i had the chance i would pair it with Galick Gun.

The latter move is also part of the most iconic, arguably THE ICONIC, beam struggle.

Edited by fasoman1996 on Dec 19th 2019 at 8:19:42 AM

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#36537: Dec 19th 2019 at 3:25:47 PM

The scope is all that matters since Cell let him charge it...

It's not like...Veggie was ever gonna use Final Flash again.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#36538: Dec 19th 2019 at 3:27:26 PM

FF is a stupidly impractical technique, but I really like how Vegeta played to Cell's ego to goad him into not dodging.

Similarly he goaded Goku into not dodging by threatening the Earth with his Galick Gun.

Clearly, any RPG that gives distinct roles to the characters should make Vegeta the tank - beyond his freakish durability he also packs plenty of taunt skills.

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#36539: Dec 19th 2019 at 3:29:03 PM

Vegeta would be an excellent taunter.

But the dude would also be a complete Leeroy Jenkins

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#36540: Dec 19th 2019 at 3:30:07 PM

That's okay, it's the tank's job to pull mobs

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#36541: Dec 19th 2019 at 3:37:47 PM

[up]x3 Woah, are you saying Veggie is actually pretty tactical?

And...his main tactical ability is taunting?

I'd be so much more interested for him to win fights if he did that more.

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#36543: Dec 19th 2019 at 4:35:49 PM

Top 5 will definitely have Solar Flare, Destructo Disk, Spirit Bomb, and Kamehameha. My guess for the last one is Energy Shield. Just for the sheer versatility Android 17 showed with the technique.

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#36544: Dec 19th 2019 at 5:08:17 PM

A good "taunter" shouldn't be easily taunted in return. I think of Roy Mustang in FMA (first series) as a good example, not Vegeta. Cell taunts him into letting him go Perfect. Babidi talks him into throwing away everything.

It seems Vegeta has gotten a *lot* better in this regard, though. Lesson was sorely learned with Buu killing him/Goku holding back SS 3/Piccolo telling him his improvement over Z wasn't enough.

Prior to dying to Buu, Vegeta had a quick trigger and a quicker temper, so I wouldn't call him a tactical taunter. Afterwards, I could see it being possible, but I haven't seen enough Super to know if he even bothers with taunting anymore.

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#36545: Dec 19th 2019 at 5:26:34 PM

Vegeta was playing Babidi though. He wanted Babidi to take him over, and then he told him to take a hike.

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#36546: Dec 19th 2019 at 6:34:18 PM

[up][up][up] I'd expect Hakai over 17's energy shields; it has multiple kills (which are all awesome looking; for reference, the least impressive hakai kill is probably in the Arale episode when Beerus kills the ghost), adds a lot to the lore and just has a wow factor.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36547: Dec 19th 2019 at 6:58:06 PM

....Galic Gun is better.

Even if it has the same level of use...

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#36548: Dec 19th 2019 at 8:16:13 PM

Weird how both moves have this electric charge up aesthetic...

With Garrick Gun it's the aura that's electric-like.

With Conclusion Coruscation it's the beam itself that has an electric look.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#36549: Dec 19th 2019 at 9:04:09 PM

Conclusion Coruscation

....Listen here son. We don't need any fancy talk around these parts.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36550: Dec 19th 2019 at 9:13:00 PM

A good "taunter" shouldn't be easily taunted in return.

If we're still talking RPG, I've seen that sometimes: aggro-centered characters who in turn get aggro'd themselves by doing it, basically locking themselves and half the enemies in place. They need loads of health, though.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 19th 2019 at 9:15:07 AM


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