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#36376: Dec 14th 2019 at 9:44:47 PM

Eh. It is Dragonball. Names can be pretty silly.

Remember when people thought it was Heat instead?

I remember when Beerus was "Bills".

I was a little disappointed when we got an official translation for his name. Still am. "Bill, God of Destruction," is such a stupidly mundane name that it greatly appeals to me.

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#36377: Dec 14th 2019 at 9:49:03 PM

....

He's right. There's a certain appeal to Bill, god of destruction.

I should have known Toriyama would blow it.

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#36378: Dec 14th 2019 at 9:59:09 PM

I always preferred Beers for stupidity

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#36379: Dec 14th 2019 at 10:51:15 PM

We still call him Bills here in the latin american dub.

It always made me wonder if TFS Goku calling Freeza "Freezer" is a deliberate jab at our dub.

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#36380: Dec 14th 2019 at 11:04:08 PM

I thought the name was supposed to be Virus?

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#36381: Dec 14th 2019 at 11:21:51 PM

Beerus was originally supposed to be the reason the Saiyans were evil, so his name was based on virus. This was also the draft where Super Saiyan God had a cape. Toriyama thought both were dumb and reworked the movie, so now Beerus and Whis's names are alcohol puns, except Beerus still retains some of the original virus name at the end.

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#36382: Dec 14th 2019 at 11:24:00 PM

[up]wait, beerus was the reason the sayian were evil? can you expand on that?.

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#36383: Dec 14th 2019 at 11:27:38 PM

Beerus was originally conceptualized as an evil corrupting influence that turned the Saiyans evil. That is not longer canon since Toriyama was all "nah, I think he should be more of a morally gray character".

Presumably, the original draft, with SSG giving Goku a cape, went all-in on "Goku is Superman" and had Goku defeat Beerus in an epic battle of good vs evil. I much prefer the version we got, but it might be neat to see some concept art from that original draft.

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#36384: Dec 14th 2019 at 11:31:34 PM

So essentially he could have been Anime-Sublime.

For those unaware Sublime is an X-Men villain, an ancient sentient virus or mold that is responsible for why humans violently hate Mutants so much.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 14th 2019 at 11:33:41 AM

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#36385: Dec 14th 2019 at 11:55:13 PM

It always made me wonder if TFS Goku calling Freeza "Freezer" is a deliberate jab at our dub.

Most name references are just the Big Green dub.

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#36386: Dec 14th 2019 at 11:57:44 PM

I dont see beerus as grey, he remind me of ryu of death note, he does what he does.

Now, that explain why vegeta fear him so much in the movie, a residual concept of that.

Now, I find weird the idea people consider the manga inferior, I mean usually they said is better, because you dont have stuff like wallpaper zamasu and goku destroying earth.

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#36387: Dec 15th 2019 at 5:12:39 AM

[up] I was under the impression that manga>anime was a popular opinion up until the manga hit the Tournament of Power arc, when the rushed presentation of that arc in the manga (which resulted in a lot of characters being useless) caused a large flip in perception to anime>manga.

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#36388: Dec 15th 2019 at 7:33:01 AM

So essentially he could have been Anime-Sublime.

For those unaware Sublime is an X-Men villain, an ancient sentient virus or mold that is responsible for why humans violently hate Mutants so much.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't exist anymore or has just been ignored.

I think we all agree that the version of Beerus we got is better than what was originally conceived, even if I think Toriyama went a little too hard on the Saiyans are actually pretty cool bent.

But that's what happens when you often make your villains carry their cards everywhere.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Dec 15th 2019 at 8:33:12 AM

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#36389: Dec 15th 2019 at 7:42:43 AM

It zig zags from my end, a lot of people think Manga>Anime and a lot of other people think anime>manga

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#36390: Dec 15th 2019 at 12:07:06 PM

Number 10: the makankosappo (sp?)

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#36391: Dec 15th 2019 at 12:14:09 PM

Aww, I was expecting them to bring up the two arm thing but that seems to be too obscure a piece of trivia. [lol]

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#36392: Dec 15th 2019 at 12:43:41 PM

Toriyama thought both were dumb and reworked the movie, so now Beerus and Whis's names are alcohol puns, except Beerus still retains some of the original virus name at the end.

I think this is misleading. By what we've been told, Toriyama didn't deliberately change the naming theme - he had assumed the pun in 'Birusu' came from beer (the way it's written in Japanese is very close to 'beers') and named Whis following that logic.

Obviously he rewrote the entire movie and took out the virus aspect of Beerus, but we don't know his reasons for doing so.

However, there are two things that have been said that I think are pretty good indicators - the first was that Toriyama wanted to make sure the film wasn't too dark in light of the recent disasters (earthquake and tsunami) that affected Japan. The first treatment of the movie would include things like Goku's friends being infected with evil and turning on him, which sounded really dark.

And the part about Goku's friends turning on him is the second reason why I think Toriyama rewrote that part of the movie - there was going to be a subtheme of "what makes a hero?" - not much was said on this, but it sounds like Goku's friends would be highly critical of him after being infected by Beerus, and there would be an introspection of Goku's "heroism". I can see Toriyama being disinterested in writing that.

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#36393: Dec 15th 2019 at 12:44:46 PM

Eh. Even these guys don't know everything.

I kinda spaced on the fact that it's the first new technique introduced in that arc for the series (and therefore the first new technique of the anime's Z era). That would probably have an effect on how people see it.

It is a shame we never see it used in it's complete two handed form outside of a blink and you'll miss it scene in the Nappa fight (with no name given to that attack either).

You'd think Toriyama would have Piccolo keep it around.

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#36394: Dec 15th 2019 at 12:49:26 PM

[up][up]Man the virus thing sounds too much like GT there.

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#36395: Dec 15th 2019 at 12:51:55 PM

I'm guessing they aren't counting the drill beam used against Nappa because it has a different pose and he doesn't charge it.

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#36396: Dec 15th 2019 at 12:59:36 PM

The anime sure as hell forgot the twohanded version.

I also assumed it needed the charge-up because he only had one hand against Raditz.

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#36397: Dec 15th 2019 at 1:00:18 PM

And the part about Goku's friends turning on him is the second reason why I think Toriyama rewrote that part of the movie - there was going to be a subtheme of "what makes a hero?" - not much was said on this, but it sounds like Goku's friends would be highly critical of him after being infected by Beerus, and there would be an introspection of Goku's "heroism".

That would have been interesting to see actually.

I can see Toriyama being disinterested in writing that.

I would hope he does decide to come back to it. It's something new to explore, and Dragonball always needs that. I know he's really doubling down on the Goku is not a hero attitude, but that in and of itself is questionable. While Goku may not fly around looking for rights to wrong or wear a cape or anything like that, he's always made an effort to help others as soon as he knows something is wrong (even if he does it in his own I wanna fight strong dudes no matter how dangerous they are, and then let them go so I can fight them again way) and I think Toriyama is trying too hard to forget that.

There are lots of ways to be a hero. Goku is one in his own way.

Edit:

I also assumed it needed the charge-up because he only had one hand against Raditz.

I had always assumed the extra long charge time was because the attack wasn't finished yet; he was still perfecting it and the Raditz fight forced him to play his (remaining) hand early and take a risk on it. I was surprised when I found out through this life ruining website that he just lost power due to missing an arm...which does make sense.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Dec 15th 2019 at 2:02:36 AM

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#36398: Dec 15th 2019 at 1:04:17 PM

[up]When did you find this website, anyway? And how?

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#36399: Dec 15th 2019 at 1:04:56 PM

...back in 2011 I think. Maybe a little earlier than that. It's honestly been a while.

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#36400: Dec 15th 2019 at 1:09:49 PM

I was surprised when I found out through this life ruining website that he just lost power due to missing an arm...which does make sense.

Do you have a source on that? I can't find a single translation of the anime or manga that implies this.


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