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#36326: Dec 13th 2019 at 12:03:53 PM

I didn't know he screwed turtles.

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Edited by fredhot16 on Dec 13th 2019 at 12:06:18 PM

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#36327: Dec 13th 2019 at 12:10:42 PM

Number 12 is the Kikoho.

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#36329: Dec 13th 2019 at 12:18:29 PM

I just wonder where the Solar Flare is gonna be, because it's a bit odd. Most techniques, you know, do damage, but the Solar Flare doesn't.

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#36330: Dec 13th 2019 at 12:20:16 PM

It's dang useful though.

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#36331: Dec 13th 2019 at 12:26:51 PM

I suppose in theory if Sun Fist is used repeatedly, it could actually damage the opponent's eyes to extent that they would become blind permanently.

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#36332: Dec 13th 2019 at 12:33:53 PM

[up][up]Yeah, and have some damn iconic moments. Also, there are other non damage techniques as well. Teleportation and Kaiouken, for example. Also Bukuujutsu, tough that one became so ubiquitous that by Freeza saga it kinda stopped being seen as a "technique" and became just a thing some people can do.

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#36333: Dec 13th 2019 at 12:34:51 PM

I remember hearing back in the day that the Solar Flare doesn't work if used repeatedly. I doubt this is canon and assume it's a fanwank to explain "why didn't they just use this cheap, easy, and effective move repeatedly?"

Anyone think any DB moves will show up? Aside from the ones that continues making DBZ appearances, of course.

I think we're mostly expecting the Devilmite Beam, but any others?

Random question, was the Wolf Fang Fist the first technique in Dragon Ball ever?

EDIT: Nope, Jan Ken was in Chapter 3, WFF was 8.

Edited by Larkmarn on Dec 13th 2019 at 3:43:59 PM

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#36334: Dec 13th 2019 at 12:48:28 PM

[up]I never "doesn't work if used repeatedly" thing, but it is kinda true. Not because it is a special property of the move and more because it is a simple trick with simple counter moves. The reason people say that is likely thanks to Goku vs Tenshinhan first fight where Goku stole Kame's sunglasses to protect his eyes. But even without those, one could imagine that simply closing your eyes in the right moment or looking away would be enough. It is a move that is predicated in taking the opponent by surprise.

As for Dragon Ball moves, well, they did just list Kikoho. I am expecting Taioken to make the cut as well. Also Bukujutsu, if they count that. If we are talking about moves that only appeared in the early days, I am kinda hopping for the Zanzoken (after image). It pretty much stopped being at thing after the second tournament, but it was a damn iconic move back then. It was the move that signalized a good martial artist in the early days.

I kinda wonder if any of Yamcha's signatures will make the cut. The Rogafufuken and Sokidan are weird because they are cool and iconic and appear in basically every adaptation that gives Yamcha a role. But they also never accomplished anything (I mean, I guess Rogafufuken did defeat hungry Goku). And stopped being used in the manga proper very early (I think filler still tried to keep them alive a bit more). Personally, I rather like Sokidan, but I sure as hell wouldn't list it above Kikoho, and it is possible I could think of 12 better techniques, so I think it would make sense to cut it out.

PS:Wait, why would "we" be expecting the Devilmite Beam? That is the Akuman move, right? In the Uranai Baba challenge? It is kind of a cool move but it is a single appearance move by a one note character. I would probably list in a "top X obscure DB moves", but not in a general list.

Edited by Heatth on Dec 13th 2019 at 6:50:56 PM

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#36335: Dec 13th 2019 at 6:54:24 PM

I'm ok with the Kikoho being where it is.

The worst of the best seems fair for what it's accomplished.

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#36336: Dec 13th 2019 at 7:21:38 PM

I'm trying to think of what techniques I'd consider "great".

You've got your iconic damaging moves:

  • Kamehameha
  • Destructo Disk
  • Special Beam Cannon
  • Spirit Bomb

Your support techniques:

  • Instant Transmission
  • Cell's regeneration
  • Flight
  • 18 and 17's energy barrier

Your game breakers:

  • (Super) Buu's absorption
  • Majin Buu's candy beam
  • Dabura's petrifying spit
  • Devilmite Beam

Huh, that's actually 12.

There's a couple other abilities that are great in theory but have a drawback in practice, or are not powerful enough for Rocket-Tag Gameplay:

  • Chaotzu's Telekinesis/Paralysis
  • Guldo's ZA WARUDO
  • Captain Ginyu's Body Swap
  • Yamcha's Spirit Ball

And some that are honestly great, but just not "iconic" enough for me:

  • Human Extinction Attack
  • Hakai
  • God Bind

And I don't know that I could count 19 and Gero's Energy Absorption as a technique instead of a device.

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#36337: Dec 13th 2019 at 7:36:21 PM

If we are talking about moves that only appeared in the early days, I am kinda hopping for the Zanzoken (after image). It pretty much stopped being at thing after the second tournament, but it was a damn iconic move back then. It was the move that signalized a good martial artist in the early days.

They actually brought it back in Super, Goku used the after-image against Caulifla to flex his experience and martial arts knowledge on her.

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#36338: Dec 13th 2019 at 11:39:39 PM

I suppose in theory if Sun Fist is used repeatedly, it could actually damage the opponent's eyes to extent that they would become blind permanently.

Holy shit, we finally have an explanation for Gohan's stupid glasses. Frequent repeated exposure to the Taiyoken has caused permanent retinal damage.

Shit like this probably didn't help either.

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#36339: Dec 14th 2019 at 6:16:37 AM

[up][up][up] To add to that list, I'd expect Hellzone Grenade to be at least an honorable mention. Sure it's used roughly once, but Team Fourstar really likes the fight it's used in (Piccolo/17), and it's got an incredible name.

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#36340: Dec 14th 2019 at 12:04:04 PM

Hit's Time Skip.

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#36341: Dec 14th 2019 at 12:08:07 PM

As Hit's fight with Vegeta (and many others) proves, Vegeta's like those canaries you send into the mines.

Edited by fredhot16 on Dec 14th 2019 at 12:09:12 PM

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#36342: Dec 14th 2019 at 12:08:39 PM

They describe Hit's ability as moving a tenth of a second into the future. Wouldn't that make you slower? I mean, I guess he'd vanish for a tenth of a second, but then when he comes back wouldn't he be in the same spot?

Edited by WillKeaton on Dec 14th 2019 at 1:27:13 PM

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#36343: Dec 14th 2019 at 12:25:48 PM

Worth noting that in Super Kuririn developed a stronger version of the Tayoken that worked even if you closed or otherwise covered your eyes.

The problem is it also makes the Tayoken less practical, because you need to charge the damn thing, leaving you open.

Oh, and the best additions of Super to the canon are Toppo and Goku Black.

Change my mind.

Edited by HailMuffins on Dec 14th 2019 at 5:32:22 PM

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#36344: Dec 14th 2019 at 12:46:46 PM

Toppo is a basic-ass name.

Goku Black is a cheap fanfic character.

Hit and Jiren are cooler.

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#36345: Dec 14th 2019 at 12:47:55 PM

Okay how is Toppo a basic name and how is Jiren cool besides "muh power levels"?

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 14th 2019 at 12:48:05 PM

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#36346: Dec 14th 2019 at 12:48:04 PM

Lani counter-weebed the team's ultimate weeb.

I died.

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#36347: Dec 14th 2019 at 12:58:19 PM

[up] (2) He Macho Man Randy Savage'd Goku.

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#36348: Dec 14th 2019 at 1:02:24 PM

Everyone does that.

And usually with some style or chutzpah.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 14th 2019 at 1:02:54 AM

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#36349: Dec 14th 2019 at 1:51:47 PM

They describe Hit's ability as moving a tenth of a second into the future. Wouldn't that make you slower? I mean, I guess he'd vanish for a tenth of a second, but then when he comes back wouldn't he be in the same spot?

It's time travel basically, just used in a way that allows Hit to exceed how much faster his opponent his because they're still moving in normal time.

Anyway, I'd only be surprised if this didn't make the list. It's one of the few interesting powers in Dragon Ball after all.

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#36350: Dec 14th 2019 at 2:36:56 PM

How is Hit not a basic name?

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