Yeah, but an arc being iconic doesn't mean everything that follows it, or even preseeds it, is bad, or mediocre in Kenshin's case.
Just take Dragon Ball itself as an exemple: Namek is the most well-remembered, but the Sayians, Cell, and Buu arcs all have plenty of defenders.
I think it is fair to say that the Author just flat-out ran out of ideas for fight scenes after Kyoto, which makes perfect sense considering the arc ended with Kenshin mastering the ultimate technique of the Hiten-mitsurugi ryû.
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"Overrated" does have an actual definition. You can disagree if it's overrated or not, certainly, but what you're saying is not really substantial because it's not even an argument.
Edited by fredhot16 on Sep 26th 2019 at 12:23:09 PM
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.@fredhot: It's that for a lot of people the notion that "art is subjective" only applies until someone disagrees with them.
That is why you can only find something to be overrated, but nothing ever is overrated, because the latter implies there's some objective metric of criticism the story fails to match, which is bollocks.
Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 26th 2019 at 5:01:25 AM
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Out of curiosity, what about Kenshin’s treatment of female characters in particular is so bad?
Oh God! Natural light!All I can think of is Kaoru and that's because she's usually in the role of damsel in distress more than actionly like with her (and Misao) against Kamatari. She gets a pass with Jin-e considering the dude is a total psychopath.
But then again, she's strong against normal people and hopelessly outclassed against anyone that's basically a freak of nature.
Edited by terumokou on Sep 26th 2019 at 4:35:16 AM
Burning love!
And how many villains tend to be "freaks of nature"? Being skilled when she's fighting a normal person is not much of a consolation prize when most, hypothetically, of the villains aren't normal people?
Who, it's worth noting, is a character that has not aged well. Rurouni Kenshin was back in the day when "transgender anime character" meant "This dude who is a dude and is 100% a dude likes to wear women's clothing 'cause he's just weird".
Fortunately, the combined strength of two "real women" was able to equal out the strength of the one "fake woman".
And that is the only meaningful fight Kaoru ever had. She does teach swordsmanship at her dojo and Kenshin likes to talk about how her style is better than his 'cause his style is an evil style that's wicked and bad. But it's very much Do Not Do This Cool Thing; even in universe, her one student really aspires to practice Kenshin's style instead, and only settles for Kaoru's because Kenshin makes him. While constantly trying to self-learn Kenshin's style.
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Yes, that's been brought up and described as her only fight in the series.
Kinda strikes me as the equivalent of Tea from Yu-gi-oh winning two duels. That's not a laurel, that's a participation prize.
Oh, god, I'm flashbacking to that one transgender person Yusuke beat when he and Kuwabara were trying to save that girl with the mystic tears.
Yeah Kaoru is horribly handled. She's supposed to be this competent swordswoman, and the creator tries to justify it with Overshadowed by Awesome / it being 'realistic' that being a woman would have a strength disadvantage - but she's the only one hit with that.
The fucking child of the group doesn't get hit with that, despite being a whole lot less realistic to have him taking part in fights. Unless the author seriously thinks male children are physically stronger than adult women - especially one who is a trained warrior.
The reason it's so notable in Kenshin is because the justification used is blatantly sexist, there's no positive examples to counterbalance it, and Kenshin is regarding by many as being very good so what is arguably it's biggest flaw ends up sticking out more.
@Tobias I lol'd at your description of Kenshin's narrative. I enjoyed the series a lot, but thats definitely true.
Edited by Saiga on Sep 26th 2019 at 11:35:57 PM
Everything I remember about Busou Renkin consists entirely of this character. Who is the best character. And not safe for work.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 26th 2019 at 12:18:54 PM
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