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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#35776: Aug 29th 2019 at 1:03:18 PM

Chiaotzu is more powerful than Roshi. <.< By. Like. A lot.

Do we actually know that? I mean, Chiaotzu is in so few actual fights that for all we know he's much weaker than Roshi and gets by on his telekinesis...which being Dragonball isn't enough anyway.

No wait. Chiaotzu likely got a power level rating in a magazine. Never mind.

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#35777: Aug 29th 2019 at 2:24:35 PM

Chiaotzu was at 610 as of the fight with Nappa. Stronger than Roshi, weaker than a Frieza mook.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 29th 2019 at 3:24:57 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#35778: Aug 29th 2019 at 2:51:50 PM

Ah.

Ok. I mean, once I thought about it, I kinda realized that yeah, he trained with Kami, so of course he would be.

I think he and the rest trained with Korin too didn't they?

I know they went there, met Yajirobe and got some Senzu, so I assumed they went through Korin's training as well.

But good grief! Chiaotzu didn't even break past 1000? What the hell was he even thinking coming to that battle?

I mean, that applies for all of them (as not a one were even a match for Nappa), but he'd have been WT Fpwned by the Saibamen if Yamcha hadn't gotten Yamcha'ed.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35779: Aug 29th 2019 at 3:32:25 PM

Chiaotzu's thing was always his psychic powers, they probably would still work on someone around Raditz' caliber (Chaozu was able to affect Goku with his powers at the 22nd Budokai). None of the fighters expected Nappa to be that much stronger than Raditz.

As for a female student under Roshi, there's no way that ends well for her. At the very least, he'd try to make her dress in skimpy outfits for him, if not pushing his luck further (though he did back down to Launch).

And if it's anime/Super Roshi, well then he'll just outright molest them without remorse. Filler added several scenes of him groping other characters, and Super had him chase a female martial atrist in an attempt to forecuflly strip her whil she begged him to stop, and later he outright threatened to rape a female contestant in the TOP.

This is not a fun excerise.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35780: Aug 29th 2019 at 3:34:39 PM

Didn't he just carry her away to a different room?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35781: Aug 29th 2019 at 3:35:16 PM

He did that before the chasing

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#35782: Aug 29th 2019 at 4:08:01 PM

I don't think it was ever explicitly stated why they use blasters. The blasters might just be stronger than they are.

A blaster took down Super Saiyan Blue Goku so that's certainly the case.

I remember Jaco had some pretty impressive laser cannons too.

Edited by Moth13 on Aug 29th 2019 at 7:09:03 AM

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#35783: Aug 29th 2019 at 5:34:05 PM

Edited by WillKeaton on Aug 29th 2019 at 6:37:24 AM

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#35784: Aug 29th 2019 at 5:42:32 PM

I mean, Jaco beat up a bunch of Freeza guys, so the ones in Resurection F could all be real weak. For all we know the bunch Freeza had with him when he attacked Mori's village could have been above average for a Freeza soldier. In fact, if they're going with Freeza on the most important assignment there is, they probably were above average.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#35785: Aug 29th 2019 at 7:00:06 PM

I actually agree with that.

Zarbon and Dodoria along with Cui (said to be equal to Vegeta) seem to be some of Frieza's more exceptional men.

And then there's the Ginyu force. It seems like Frieza dipped into his best men with regards to Namek, which says a lot about how much of a disaster for him it was.

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Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#35786: Aug 29th 2019 at 7:01:39 PM

Chiaotzu was also able to hold back Goku in Super. It really only slowed him down, but it working at all is a miracle all things considered.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#35787: Aug 29th 2019 at 7:03:34 PM

I don't really count or trust anything in either version of Super.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#35788: Aug 29th 2019 at 7:13:44 PM

Throughout all of Dargonball Z the story kept reinforcing that power levels were the most important thing in the universe. Whoever has the highest power level will win, period. Then Super comes along and people with lower power levels can beat someone with a higher power level. Like, Roshi is apparently a better fighter than Goten and Trunks, even though they have power levels way, way higher than his.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35789: Aug 29th 2019 at 8:10:33 PM

See [up][up]

Super deliberately plays on nostalgia and fanservice, leading to those episodes that contradict established structure but then go on to not matter in the long run.

The anime staff made up everything used to justify the existence of the weaker characters in the TOP. As they've explained, Toriyama just picked the characters he wanted included with no justification on why they would be used.

With that said...

Whoever has the highest power level will win, period.

This isn't true at all. Dragon Ball has always had subversions to this, it's just that power is an obvious advantage. And importantly, the series doesn't act like there are massive imbalances in skill level across the combatants, so you aren't going to have a drastically weaker opponent win off pure skill.

Edited by Saiga on Aug 30th 2019 at 1:13:36 AM

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#35790: Aug 29th 2019 at 8:17:27 PM

Super deliberately plays on nostalgia and fanservice, leading to those episodes that contradict established structure but then go on to not matter in the long run.

You're not taking into account that the structure in a comedy episode is different from the structure in a serious fight episode.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35791: Aug 29th 2019 at 8:27:58 PM

I was responding to the post above mine which definitely wasn't limited to just comedy.

For the Chiaotzu example, I fully agree that this is done for gag purposes and shouldnt be scrutinized so hard.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35792: Aug 29th 2019 at 8:30:59 PM

Comedy has to make sense.

Otherwise, viewer is at free reign to scroot.

Logic, yes.

Edited by randomness4 on Aug 29th 2019 at 8:32:10 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#35793: Aug 29th 2019 at 8:33:11 PM

I’ve seen illogical comedy.

Teen Titans Go certainly turned me off from it.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 29th 2019 at 8:33:22 AM

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#35794: Aug 29th 2019 at 8:38:58 PM

Meanwhile Nichijou is one of my favorite series.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35795: Aug 29th 2019 at 9:43:09 PM

Comedy is simple + Smart

Comedy is Simple + Timing

Whether it makes sense or not doesn't really matter.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#35796: Aug 30th 2019 at 2:09:45 AM

Y'all take Dragon Ball of all things way too seriously, you know.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#35798: Aug 30th 2019 at 2:16:22 AM

Nah, too old instead. Funny how the franchise got revived and expanded, yet the forums still act like the Dragon Ball General board on Gamefaqs did on 2006.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35799: Aug 30th 2019 at 2:17:49 AM

War. War never changes. And neither does powerlevel wanking.

Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#35800: Aug 30th 2019 at 3:20:26 AM

I mean we have a canon example of Chiaotzu's telekinesis not working on Nappah already to show just how much powerlevels did matter back then.

Edited by Medigo03 on Aug 30th 2019 at 3:21:30 AM


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