That was probably just for effect.
....hmmm.
While the buff form is useless for fist fighting (unless you try to use it Kaioken style) using it to add even more ooomph to your beam attacks might have some value.
I'm surprised Goku and Vegeta never considered it for that. Like, charge up a beam, let it get a certain distance, and them go buff part of the way through and up it's power beyond what the opponent was expecting.
One Strip! One Strip!Might have helped Goku's Teleport Kamehameha actually kill Cell, too.
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Of course, so would the Kaioken if he'd been willing to try to combine them.
I'm annoyed it took until Super for that to happen, even with the whole stacking them together is too stressful for the body excuse.
It makes more sense for me for Goku to work on improving the two together, maybe by keeping Kaioken on an even shorter time frame (like maybe only doing it when he lands a punch, or something like that).
One Strip! One Strip!When it comes to outer space shots of special attacks in Manga, none that I know have are such ridiculous bullshit in a consistent manner then Toriko
Vegeta's Final Flasha and Freiza's death ball would be tiny compared to some of this shit.
Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Aug 19th 2019 at 6:18:54 AM
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We all assumed that using them together was too stressful, but there was never any Word of God on it, and he never tried using them together in the Manga (and even in the Super Manga, he hasn't really tried it, though he apparently used a strategy that was similar to Kaioken while in Blue, but not that exactly).
If Toriyama had just said he can't do it, he'd die that'd solve a lot of problems. As it is we know the meta reason (he stopped caring about Kaioken), but there's no in universe reason.
Though I admit I'm kinda being unfair here by saying if they don't say it can't be done, then that doesn't mean it can't be done.
One Strip! One Strip!Pretty much
, yeah.
Toei's anime version of Super has Goku state that he can't use Kaioken in Super Saiyan but totes can in Blue, while Toyotarou's manga doesn't have Blue Kaioken as a thing at all and never addresses it. So it can be assumed that Blue Kaioken (and the rules surrounding why it can't be done in Super Saiyan) are strictly Toei's addition and not part of Toriyama's notes.
This is notable because Toei's Z anime features the anime-exclusive Otherworld Tournament arc where Goku does combine Kaioken and regular Super Saiyan and it works out great with no drawbacks.
So, of all the creators who have a hand in Dragon Ball:
- Toriyama says "..."
- Toyotarou says "..."
- Toei says "You totally can combine Super Saiyan and Kaioken. Also, you absolutely cannot combine Super Saiyan and Kaioken. But you CAN combine Super Saiyan Blue and Kaioken."
I wouldn't say no drawbacks. He's clearly exhausted after doing so, enough that we can assume that if he wasn't already dead (and thus under the rules of being able to do things that would be more dangerous or exhausting for a living body) he'd have probably rekt himself something fierce.
Still, that's at least an acknowledgement of it being dangerous to combine Super Saiyan and Kaioken, which Toriyama never even gave us.
The best we can extrapolate is that if it was possible, he'd have tried it against Cell.
Then again, it's strange to me that he never worked on such a thing in the three years they were training for the androids either.
One Strip! One Strip!Yeah I think the only person besides Trunks who does that is Caulifla, which is presented as Caulifla being a newbie to Super Saiyaning while Goku goes all teacher mode.
Which reminds me, the Tournament of Power also has Universe 3 (the nerd universe) using technology to make warriors on the level of gods. So there's examples of how absurd tech can get in this setting beyond Dr. Gero being an extreme outlier.
Edited by Moth13 on Aug 19th 2019 at 9:04:45 AM
A thought occurs: our introduction to Goku was him getting shot in the head. It doesn't do much, and Goku's reaction is to grab Bulma's car and hurl it some distance.
Our introduction to Raditz is, also, him getting shot in the head, or rather him catching the bullet right in front of his face and flicking it back at the shooter.
I'd never thought about that parallel before. I wonder if it was intentional.
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Violence is a Saiya-jin's natural response...
...to weapons.
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