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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35476: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:44:56 PM

That there doesn't help anything.

It's just a vacuum of views.

Edited by randomness4 on Aug 8th 2019 at 5:45:21 AM

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35477: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:55:19 PM

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Super doesn't.

In the Z anime Goku wasn't portrayed as a bad father in the English version... I mean, disregarding his b-tchslapping Chi-Chi through a wall and... stuff like this.

Really Goku isn't a bad dad at all. I don't think anyone or any of the version actually said he was - he's neglectful at worst, but even Super's depiction of him still loves his family enough to beat the living hell out of the villain for killing them.

But if you didn't watch or read the original story and only watched the Abridged version then yeah you'd have no other characterization of Goku to work with. But I don't think that's the Abridged version's fault if somebody genuinely believes Goku is a bad father.

Edited by Soble on Aug 8th 2019 at 6:04:16 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#35478: Aug 8th 2019 at 5:57:44 PM

Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's just another Anti-Goku Meme that was meant to be a joke but then caught on with people taking it seriously.

I'm not shocked.

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#35479: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:08:47 PM

He can try and get someone, then go back to Goku's side. Vegeta's inability to teleport is irrelevant for that.

This honestly seems like one of those moments that people criticize Goku for because they're just invested in criticizing Goku.

The only people to get were the people Goku was going for: Gohan and the others. Until Goku noticed Mr. Satan and Dende, then changed course to go get them instead.

After Goku changed course from Gohan to go get Mr. Satan and Dende, if Vegeta had kept going to get Gohan and the others, he would have been left behind too. The planet was literally exploding around them and time was of the essence.

At a time when every microsecond counted, Goku made a judgment call to save Mr. Satan and Dende that cost him the ability to save Gohan and the others. Vegeta had zero agency in this, because all he could hope to do is be with Goku when Goku teleports to safety. No one knew Kaioshin was coming to get them.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 8th 2019 at 7:10:36 AM

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#35480: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:31:24 PM

My thinking is that he saved Dende because without him, the Dragon Balls and thus the ability to bring everyone back would be gone. As for Mr. Satan... does he know that he's Buu's Morality Pet, or does he actually believe his bullshit?

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#35481: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:35:08 PM

Canon Goku knows Satan is weak, which is why he doesn't want to fuse with him.

And he 100% saved them because he couldn't just leave a bystander to die.

Edited by Saiga on Aug 8th 2019 at 11:36:27 PM

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#35482: Aug 8th 2019 at 6:44:55 PM

Where Dende and Satan physically closer to him than the other four people? That scene goes by so fast and It's hard to tell where everyone is relative to one another. I think Goku was going to save Piccolo and the kids, but then he saw Satan and Dende on the way?

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#35483: Aug 8th 2019 at 7:22:01 PM

Yeah, it looked like he sees Satan and Dende on the way with a short glance down, grabs them real quick, and is unable to reach the others in time regardless, so he tries and fails to IT away. That's how Kai looked at least, not sure about the manga or original anime.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35484: Aug 8th 2019 at 7:22:43 PM

The scene isn't changed.

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#35485: Aug 8th 2019 at 7:30:45 PM

Yeah I think Toei got lazy as far as Kai-ing the Buu arc was concerned.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35486: Aug 8th 2019 at 7:33:57 PM

There's nothing about the scene that needs to be changed.

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#35487: Aug 9th 2019 at 5:07:53 AM

@Handsome Rob What I hate the most about anti-Goku memes is how deadest Toriyama seems to want to validate them. Is it still Character Assassination if it's the original author doing so?

As for saving Dende and Hercule it was definitely a bystander thing. And I think on some level Goku knew he would never make it to the others in time, that seems universal throughout all dubs. Worked out though, bringing the others to the Planet of the Kais wouldn't have meant a thing if Hercule couldn't convince the Earth to give up their energy.

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#35488: Aug 9th 2019 at 10:48:17 AM

I mean, Gohan would've won the fight without the spirit bomb. It's why he had to die.

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#35489: Aug 9th 2019 at 10:58:25 AM

[up][up]You keep calling them "bystanders" as though that makes their lives more valuable than Gohan and the others. Dende's the Guardian of the Earth and has been invested in this conflict since it began, and Satan was the one who befriended Buu. They're not two random people who happened to just be standing there by happenstance, they're super involved in this conflict. They are unable to fight in this battle, but that doesn't somehow mean their lives are more valuable because of that.

I know Gohan was stronger than Buu when they fought, but Buu's regenerative powers are so extreme that I'm not 100% sure Gohan would have been able to actually kill Buu. Same goes for Super Saiyan 3 Goku vs fat Buu, and Gotenks vs Super Buu. A powerful enough energy attack may be able to do the trick, but I can't say that with absolute certainty.

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#35490: Aug 9th 2019 at 11:12:26 AM

I can totally say it with absolute certainty. Gohan was so far beyond Super Buu that Buu fled for his life. Super Buu felt confident that Gohan was powerful enough to kill Super Buu, and since Super Buu > Pure Buu, that's decisive enough for me.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 9th 2019 at 12:12:47 PM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35491: Aug 9th 2019 at 11:14:37 AM

[up][up]Stop doubting the characters abilities.

It's their actions that matter...besides Gotenks, all of their actions is what led to them not defeating Boo.

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#35492: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:18:48 PM

Idle thought: since the movies are considered canon in the Abridged universe, that means that not only did Krillin kill Cell, he also was the one who scored the kill on Dr. Gero in that same lab visit.

Abridged Krillin has a baller body count in the Android arc.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35493: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:22:34 PM

The movies aren't considered canon though. They specifically said so, when asked whether or not Chichi going "I want a divorce" would carry over from... which ever movie that was.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35494: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:31:14 PM

The movies address wherever the plot is at the time, not the other way around.

It's from the Broccoli movie.

Edited by randomness4 on Aug 13th 2019 at 10:31:52 AM

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#35495: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:38:48 PM

Okay Vegeta is a fucking jackass for having the gall to yell at Goku when he made no attempt to save anyone else.

Goku saving Dende & Stan is clearly a spur of the moment realization that there are other people there too. He is completely blameless if any fault in that moment.

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#35496: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:42:13 PM

[up]...How could Vegeta save anybody? He had to stay close to Goku or he'd be left behind.

Also, it being on the spur of moment does not mean he's..."completely blameless".

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#35497: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:43:21 PM

Hey if Goku had the time to save someone he could too.

They are similar in speed it’s not like Goku’s gonna leave Geets in the dust cause the latter is too slow at flying.

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#35498: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:47:53 PM

[up]Wasn't there a time limit? As in, the Earth was already falling apart at that moment?

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#35499: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:48:11 PM

Go get them, and then come back. Seriously, I do not understand this line of thought that penalizes Goku for not callously letting people die, but absolves Vegeta of not doing literally anything to help.

Edited by LSBK on Aug 13th 2019 at 1:01:54 PM

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#35500: Aug 14th 2019 at 7:07:22 AM

Wasn't there a time limit? As in, the Earth was already falling apart at that moment?

Yes, there was. In fact, they were so strapped for time that after grabbing Dende and Mr. Satan, Goku no longer even had the second or two needed to use his Instant Transmission. Had Kaioshin not been there with his (I guess more instant?) teleportation ability, everyone would have died right then and there.

Probably the same outcome would have occurred if they'd gone for Gohan and the others instead. Trying to save anyone nearly got everyone killed.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 14th 2019 at 8:08:50 AM

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