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I wonder if Abridged Goku will make this call 'cause he legit thinks Satan has a better chance at helping out against Buu than Gohan?
He did defeat Cell, after all.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.OK. Perhaps I should have been more specific. I mean the scenes before Broly went Legendary. The mind control devise, Broly attacking Goku at night, the fact that the gang have dinner with Paragus after they find out the slaves building the city, which he clearly knows about, but don’t confront him about it until much later. Also, I think Master Roshi pack some alcohol with him on the trip because he is still drunk after a few days in the original.
It seems TFS did a lot of streamlining (including how much time had passed), even if it resulted in Parugus’ name not being uttered in their version of the confrontation scene.
x3 I feel that's very unfair: Satan was a Innocent Bystander in danger, what was he supposed to do, ignore him?
Not having time to save Gohan was just unfortunate luck.
Veggie didn't grab anyone, he has a "reason"...but not one to justify yelling at Kakarrot.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.The planet was exploding. Earth's Dragon Balls were about to become violently irrelevant with or without Dende.
And Dende's survival has no bearing on the Namekian Dragon Balls that they wind up using to defeat Majin Buu. Especially when he and Mr. Satan would be brought back no worse for wear with the "Resurrect Planet Earth" wish that Porunga grants.
Prioritizing Dende and Mr. Satan over Gohan, Goten, and Trunks was just plain a bad judgment call. Gohan could have wrecked Pure Buu's shit in seconds and circumvented the whole Dragon Ball gambit in the first place; he was more powerful than Goku's Super Saiyan 3 and more powerful than Super Buu - himself, a level above Pure Buu.
The needs of the plot required Gohan to be left to die, but the fact that Gohan even had such a Story-Breaker Power is a glaring condemnation of Goku's decision-making.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 8th 2019 at 3:13:23 AM
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Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Goku saving Satan was definitely not a pragmatic move, but he felt bad about ignoring an innocent person who was going to die right in front of him. But more importantly, they were closer and Goku didn't even have time to teleport himself out, it was that tight. There's no guarantee they still would have made it if he went for Gohan and co.
I'm surprised Goku gets so much flack for that.
Timing.
I think it'd be a problem for him too.
Especially without the anime padding.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Who would Vegeta grab? He can't teleport. All he could do was stick close to Goku to avoid being left behind.
So when Goku diverted course to get Mr. Satan and Dende instead of Gohan, Piccolo, and the kids, Vegeta had to divert course with him.
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. I don't know if that makes a difference in how the scene is illustrated, but...
- Most people forced to make a fatal decision between saving "two people you kind of know" and "immediate family" would likely choose the latter. So it makes Goku's decision seem odd to most. Even Vegeta, prince of all assholes, chews him out about it.
- Not that he's without fault - he and Goku were like a split-second apart when they took off, and apparently Goku was supposed to grab all four of those people by himself. He probably could, but still.
- We make snap judgments of people in perilous situations all the time, so that's where the complaint you hear likely comes from. Few are going to look at that clip and say "Goku did the best he could."
- The manga could've been different since you're looking at it panel-to-panel. Maybe there was a clearer image of Goku and Vegeta's beeline to safety. Maybe it did a better job indicating that there really wasn't time to grab anyone. But if you watched the anime we only get a brief look at Goku diving down and suddenly Dende and Hercule are in his grasp, and this motion happens in seconds making it easy to disregard or confuse how much time actually passed.
Edited by Soble on Aug 8th 2019 at 5:51:11 AM
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!I feel in this particular situation at least (I don't know the specific framing or context, mind), I don't think it's entirely fair to blame Goku, since the situation was pretty tight and he made his choice based on who was in front of him. Like, call him out on the Gohan thing because even if he knew he had to send Gohan in there had to be a better way of doing it than throwing the kid to the wolves, and he had plenty of time to plan things out. This is a much more tight situation comparatively so I think him doing something inoptimal is not some major failure of his as a person.
EDIT: Well looking at the scene in question, it honestly seems like he saw more people on the way and tried to get them at the same time since they were on the way, while the others weren't close enough either way.
Edited by Alfric on Aug 8th 2019 at 5:24:19 AM
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But...hold on...looks up original scene.
The scene is the same in both versions and Veggie appears to not move to save anyone...so was he expecting Kakarrot to carry everyone?
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It kinda comes across that way in some of these situations, although in general you're right. It's kinda why the whole "Goku is a bad dad" thing gets so heated, since some consider that to be the truth while others disagree. I can't speak for most people since I'm pretty whatever on it, but from the conversations I've seen it seems like it matters a lot to people whether or not Goku is a good person.
It doesn't matter if he's a good or bad person.
It matters that jokes don't end up becoming misconceptions.
It's dumb.
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Well, not using Super Saiyan 3 until the very end (and not finishing Buu off then and there), enthrusting Goten and Trunks, destroying the Potara, saving Satan rather than Gohan and company...
Yeah, from the top of my head...