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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#35301: Jul 25th 2019 at 3:50:37 PM

If Yamcha was considerably weaker than the Saibamen, then he wouldn't have been able to knock out the one he fought, even if it got back up a minute later.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#35302: Jul 25th 2019 at 3:56:14 PM

Well, I'm talking about all the Saibamen as a whole.

Even if he was stronger than one individually, if they were all close to his level, then taking all of them on at once would have likely been a poor idea.

It's not something that comes up very much because whenever multiple fighters take on one dude, the gap in power is so wide that there's essentially no difference between fighting as a team and fighting one on one.

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#35303: Jul 25th 2019 at 4:00:03 PM

1480 vs 1200 going by WJ numbers.

And it was shown that he struggled in the 1 v 1 l, very doubtful he could take two at a time let alone the whole group.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#35304: Jul 25th 2019 at 4:04:34 PM

I wouldn't say he struggled. He didn't seem out of breath or with a scratch on him before the whole self-destruct thing.

Still, probably right about him not being able to take two at a time the same way.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 25th 2019 at 6:05:13 AM

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#35306: Jul 25th 2019 at 4:09:25 PM

1480 vs 1200 going by WJ numbers.

And it was shown that he struggled in the 1 v 1 l, very doubtful he could take two at a time let alone the whole group.

...oh wow. I think we finally have something of a number for how small a Power Level gap can be.

There's only a difference of 280 between Yamcha and the Saibamen as a whole.

Piccolo and Nappa had a difference of 500 (3500 vs 4000).

As another example, Goku was 334 with weights, and 416 without them, compared to Piccolo's 322 with weights and 408 without them during Raditiz. Considering how closely matched they were in their fight at the 23 Budokai 5 years earlier, we can assume the gap was similarly small back then.

So we have to consider that anything higher than 500 is a massive insurmountable gap in terms of Power Levels. That's the bare minimum, cause that's the smallest gap we have where the other dude is totally out of his league.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#35307: Jul 25th 2019 at 4:12:14 PM

i'd say it's more of a percentage thing

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#35308: Jul 25th 2019 at 4:44:05 PM

As an aside: I wonder if they'll actually abridge Super or just keep doing shorts.

They've said they are done once they finish abridging the Buu saga, and will not be doing GT or Super.

Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#35309: Jul 25th 2019 at 4:51:49 PM

If they tried to abridged Super, Toei would literally murder them.

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#35310: Jul 25th 2019 at 4:54:51 PM

Come on,what's the harm in doing one episode..

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 25th 2019 at 11:55:02 AM

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#35311: Jul 25th 2019 at 5:01:05 PM

Also Kaiser trying to deal with the art in the early Super episodes would probably kill him before Toei got there.

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#35312: Jul 25th 2019 at 5:17:45 PM

Eh? How was it? I never saw the early ones. Only one or two of the "Goku Black" Arc.

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#35313: Jul 25th 2019 at 5:19:23 PM

[up][up]They could Abridge the movies and then jump into the show.

But even disregarding Toei, no one at TFS likes Super all that much.

Even the ones that like GT, as if they have any moral ground to judge.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#35314: Jul 25th 2019 at 5:21:58 PM

[up][up]The art in the first few arcs (especially the Ressurection F one) suffered a lot from Supers rushed production. Remember how much Kaiser suffered while trying to touch up Cooler 2? He wouldn't make it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#35315: Jul 25th 2019 at 5:22:55 PM

[up][up][up] Super had a lot of production issues starting out so the art...... could get really bad.

Boy would Super give them a lot of material though. I'm honestly curious how'd they portray Jiren the Flat.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 25th 2019 at 5:23:59 AM

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#35316: Jul 25th 2019 at 5:29:21 PM

They've said they are done once they finish abridging the Buu saga, and will not be doing GT

Why not GT :/ I happen to like GT and I still think it's ripe for abridging.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#35317: Jul 25th 2019 at 5:33:00 PM

Of them, I think only Grant likes GT, and Abridgements are always best when they actually like the material they're abridging. Plus Dragonball has been a gigantic commitment anyway, and I can't blame them for wanting to move on to other things when they're done.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35318: Jul 25th 2019 at 5:33:13 PM

The entire team is moving on from abridged series and entering the professional world. That's also why hbi2k left, he wanted to keep making them while the other were going to move on.

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#35319: Jul 25th 2019 at 5:37:08 PM

Even the ones that like GT, as if they have any moral ground to judge.

..."moral ground"?

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#35320: Jul 25th 2019 at 5:40:19 PM

I'm being hyperbolic.

[up][up]Hiw do you explain FFVII Machinabridged, then?

Edited by HailMuffins on Jul 25th 2019 at 9:44:28 AM

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#35321: Jul 25th 2019 at 5:45:09 PM

i'd say it's more of a percentage thing

I think there was some official source that said that a x2 difference is the point at which a 1-v-1 fight is unwinnable, but I don't know the source for that. I do know that Goku at 150M was 25% stronger than Freeza at 120M, and he was winning handily.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#35322: Jul 25th 2019 at 5:46:54 PM

Honestly, if they were going to abridge anything after finishing Z, it would most likely be OG Dragonball, and even that seems unlikely.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#35323: Jul 25th 2019 at 5:48:54 PM

I'm being hyperbolic.

Around here, we call it Hyper-Tonic.

Don't forget that.

Getting serious, OG BOG aside I don't think Dragonball lends itself well to continuations.

Goku and company literally MDK'ed every single threat, and any attempts to fight with anything but a high Power Level fails miserably. Now, Cell and Buu showed us you can have other things in your favour (like ridiculous levels of regeneration) and before the the Androids had their Infinite Energy, but even then, those were only a factor due to high power levels. The series had to introduce an entire new stable of Gods after dropping the ball with the Kaioshins in order to create new threats, and then introduced a a multiverse in order to create new challenges.

Right now, it's taken the new villain from the current manga arc of Super to introduce something some is a threat to the heroes beyond higher power level and he's just using the Android's schtick to a far greater extent.

Maybe we all should have just accepted that the series had it's time and we needed to let it go, cause Toei and Toriyama definitely need to do that.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 25th 2019 at 6:49:34 AM

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Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#35324: Jul 25th 2019 at 5:55:38 PM

[up] Toriyama wanted to quit before anybody else did. He only returned to the franchise because he was so disappointed with Dragonball Evolution.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#35325: Jul 25th 2019 at 6:02:29 PM

Hiw do you explain FFVII Machinabridged, then?

I meant to say "once all current projects were finished", but I thought I'd be understood without it.

Edited by VeryMelon on Jul 25th 2019 at 6:03:53 AM


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