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JRads47 Since: Nov, 2014
#35201: Jul 4th 2019 at 11:44:35 AM

There was one moment of bad music placement I can recall. It's when Vegeta distracts Cell long enough to give Gohan the killing blow, and they use the Final Flash theme, which continues to play right as Gohan is killing Cell. Alright, appropriate enough. But at the last moment they switch to the Ginyu transformation theme, which sounds alright, but doesn't exactly fit in the context of the scene.

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#35202: Jul 4th 2019 at 11:47:32 AM

The Faulconer score is a lot of...noise most of the time. But when it fits, it really fits.

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#35203: Jul 4th 2019 at 12:06:09 PM

Ginyu transformation...

~gasp~

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Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#35204: Jul 4th 2019 at 1:54:04 PM

Honestly I really like the more bizarre music

Like Super Buu's theme

Or that random circus music for android 19 & 20.

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#35206: Jul 4th 2019 at 6:46:15 PM

I’ve always liked how all the Faulconer Buu themes are variations on the same theme that slowly grows more complex, dark and energetic with each incarnation.

It’s ambitious to an extent that he didn’t usually go for: even when he had consistent leitmotifs, he didn’t really go that far.

I think a what a lot of people don’t like about Faulconer is that he’s very much a product of 80’s incidental music, where action soundtracks where largely grungy ambience with the really quick actiony bits, and - most importantly - tracks were composed with the assumption that they be chopped up and inserted/repeated in the film in any given situation, rather than necessarily scored for the scene.

This is why when you listen to many of his tunes outright on their own they often made no musical sense as a whole, and instead are like two minutes of ten second bits that don’t correlate with one another. It’s also why a lot of the use of his work involved them trying to stick he same few stings in as many situations as possible, resulting in quite a few duds.

If you listen to, say, Shuki Levi’s stuff (Inspector Gadget, He-Man, She-Ra), it’s very similar - though Faulconer liked his ambiance a lot more. But like Levi (though not quite to Levi’s level), when Faulconer wrote a track as an actual full composition, it was often pretty good.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 4th 2019 at 6:56:33 AM

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#35207: Jul 5th 2019 at 1:06:25 AM

I just really liked that neither version of the series got to "win" the argument.

The episode pointed out that the Faulconer music is popular because it's nostalgic, and nostalgia screws with our ability to properly judge things. But it also pointed out that the original Japanese version was only any good because it was straight-up stolen from better artists.

Neither version came out smelling like a rose in this discussion.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35208: Jul 5th 2019 at 1:13:07 AM

Oh, it was the original anime that had the stolen score?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35209: Jul 5th 2019 at 1:50:12 AM

Only just got around to watching it. Eh. Some funny lines, but the MHA references really had no place there, and I really didn't like them beating the horse with their own c**t joke which was always really stupid and out of place.

'Vegeta and 18 fight with massive collateral damage, killing several innocent people out of sheer apathy

The narrative: oh no, Vegeta said a no-no word! That's clearly the worst thing to happen in this sequence!

The soundtrack jokes were also totally out of place, the whole thing just felt... off.

Edited by Saiga on Jul 5th 2019 at 6:50:51 PM

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#35210: Jul 5th 2019 at 3:21:22 AM

probably padding out things a slight amount tongue

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#35211: Jul 5th 2019 at 4:43:48 AM

@Tobias: No, Kenji Yamamoto, who did the Dragon Ball Kai score, stole the songs.

Shunsuke Kikuchi did the original DBZ score and there's no stealing involved.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35212: Jul 5th 2019 at 5:05:16 AM

Yeah, so TFS showed a pretty bad representation of both sides of that debate.

I mean, you could argue that since this is Kai Abridged/Abridged Kai they'd talk about the Kai score. But the Kai dub didn't use Faulconer.

Edited by Saiga on Jul 5th 2019 at 10:06:18 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#35213: Jul 5th 2019 at 5:11:44 AM

The Faulconer dub got really hurt by the Lull Destruction practice that was really common back then.

Ya always gotta play something even when it be better not to.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 5th 2019 at 5:14:41 AM

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#35214: Jul 5th 2019 at 5:50:54 AM

I keep cracking up at the way Frieza says buttholes.

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#35215: Jul 5th 2019 at 7:19:12 AM

I was cracking up at how the entire Mecha Frieza sequence boiled down to Trunks's sword slowly slicing downwards through his body. It was a single Overly Long Gag in the Abridged of the Abridged of all places, yet still a very accurate demonstration of everything you need to know about Mecha Frieza and King Cold's part of the story.

Speaking of whom, King Cold doesn't even exist in Kai Abridged because who actually f*cking cares about King Cold? [lol] He contributes nothing to the plot. He's not even a "Like Frieza but STRONGER" linear escalation; he's actually weaker! Once Trunks has dealt with Mecha Frieza, fighting him is just clean-up.

King Cold is exactly why I think Mecha Frieza was going to have a bigger story and then Toriyama got bored and decided to just be done with it. He seems like a character that should have some narrative significance, and then does absolutely nothing. There is no reason for King Cold to exist as a character, which is the kind of startling Conservation of Detail slip-up that usually indicates a change of plans somewhere.

Mecha Frieza could have been assembled by those assholes in Resurrection of F and nothing would actually be lost from the story.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 5th 2019 at 8:21:02 AM

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#35216: Jul 5th 2019 at 7:34:57 AM

The ENTIRETY of the saga, from Frieza coming back as a cyborg to all forms of Cell, seems to be a long string of Toriyama introducing a bad guy before introducing a new, even badder bad guy.

You'll note that Gero and Tubby the Robo-Mime had exactly zero relevance.

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#35217: Jul 5th 2019 at 7:36:43 AM

That's because that is literally exactly what it was.

He introduced 17 and 18 because his friend (a former editor, not his current) was unimpressed by 19 and 20. The jump to 17 and 18 was Toriyama going, "Uhhhh LOL what a wacky joke haha okay here are the REAL Androids."

When his friend was similarly unimpressed by 17 and 18, Cell became a thing. In essence, the entire Android Saga was a prolonged campaign to find a villain that would please a specific unpleasable person. And also a profound demonstration of the risks inherent to Writing by the Seat of Your Pants.

Cell was also going to spend more time in his Semi-Perfect form, but his friend thought Semi-Perfect was ass-ugly so he skipped over everything he had planned and just shot him up to Perfect real quick.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 5th 2019 at 8:39:19 AM

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#35218: Jul 5th 2019 at 7:41:56 AM

TFS literally have Gero joke about that when he awakens 17 and 18. "I have 2 more androids. The original Androids. That were defintely always a part of this. Yes. From the Very beginning."

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#35219: Jul 5th 2019 at 7:46:48 AM

Gero is pretty relevant. At least when it comes to his creations and Trunks.

Clearly Gero is to blame for Zamasu going bonkers /s

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#35220: Jul 5th 2019 at 7:47:29 AM

One Piece —> Naruto —> My Hero Acadmia

I don't think it fits...Izuku is the least like Kakarotto.

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#35221: Jul 5th 2019 at 8:02:37 AM

Izuku is far more Spider-Man than Goku. I agree the comparison falls flat.

Bakugo is straight Vegeta, though.

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#35222: Jul 5th 2019 at 8:08:50 AM

As someone who likes Goku more or less, I'd have to say it's insulting to Izuku to treat him like Goku.

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#35223: Jul 5th 2019 at 8:31:42 AM

It's a rather shallow comparison but I get the idea behind it

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#35224: Jul 5th 2019 at 8:43:09 AM

i think it's less "Deku is like Goku", and more Bakugo is like Vegeta, and ergo Deku is Bakugo's Goku

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#35225: Jul 5th 2019 at 8:47:42 AM

A lot of people like to compare Bakugo to Sasuke, which doesn't even make a lick of sense.

Bakugo is very blatantly a takeoff of Vegeta.


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